4 airplanes with Russian troops landed in Ivano-Frankivsk, UKRAINE

Maidan ^

[b2stealth]

Maidan receives more and more confirmation about presence of Russian troops in Ukraine.

“Yesterday at night between 1:00 and 4:00 four airplanes with Russian military troops (approx. 400-450 persons) landed in Ivano-Frankivsk. They were dressed into uniform of Ukrainian troops and were sent to Kyyiv by buses. At the moment of planes arrival, the airport was surrounded by military forces.”

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Ukrainian Marine Forces with Yushchenko First Commander-in-Chief of Marine Forces of Ukraine Kozhyn called troops to acknowledge Yushchenko as Supreme Commander-in-Chief. >> [24-11-2004 17:28]

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[24-11-2004 17:26] Hot news from Yanukovych headquarters. Once the Central Elections Commetee announces Yanukovych as a President - gangs, masked as Yushchenko supporters will start provocations on Maidan(Independance Square). >>

[Poohbah]

Since when did this become about Soros, and not about a free election?

Since Soros dropped 27 megabucks into a US election through various measures of questionable legality.

[Lukasz]

Since when did this become about Soros, and not about a free election?

Exactly, some propagandist cannot understand this one.

[Nowhere Man]

What exactly is going on in the Ukraine? Are there any 'good guys'?

Aside from the natural national ambitions of the Ukrainian people and the long history of oppression under first the Czars and then the Soviets, is it in OUR national interest to back one side or the other?

No flames please -- I simply have not followed this story.

I'll second that. I'm shrugging my shoulders here. I don't know enough of the players to know who is the good or the bad guys or all they just people with only a certain amount of good vs. bad in them? Do we have a choice that is only between "bad or worse?" I feel a bit dumb myself on this one, I don't know too much of what's going on there besides the strife.

[notigar]

And since when did the US election become part of it?

[MarMema]

It is precisely about Ukraine being made into another NATO state on the border of Russia, and about the plans of some to break Russia into many small countries, more easily controlled.

[nathanbedford]

You are correct! Thank God the Ukranians do not have the lobbying power of the Jews or the Cubans.

[notigar]

The US has asked Ukraine not to certify the results. What more do you need than that?

[Truthsayer20]

"Since Soros dropped 27 megabucks into a US election through various measures of questionable legality."

Why was Soros so much against the re-election of Bush? I've seen a theory floated that the Bush administration has made shady currency speculation much more difficult. Currency speculation is where Soros made his fortune.

[dljordan]

"Besides we need Putin when he is fighting alongside us against Al Queda".

Right, while he's shipping arms to Iran and anyone else who wants them. He AIN'T our friend and never has been.

[SunkenCiv]

Now that the US has taken this position, I don't see any graceful way to back down, so the US won't. Putin has been making overtures to Israel in the wake of the Beslan massacre, but for much longer has been working to reassemble the USSR. Powell is anti-Israel, and Putin is trying to maneuver Russia back into a position of influence in the Middle East.

The EU will have to decide what its position is about the election...

http://www.euobserver.com/?sid=9&aid=17823

[MarMema]

Since when did this become about Soros, and not about a free election?

Ah yes, Soros is of course, only putting millions into Ukraine because he cares about freedom. Just as he supports the chechen terrorists.

[Moonman62]

This election crisis needs Super Jimmy to the rescue!

If there is a dictator or a communist he can help out, he'll be there.

[Poohbah]

And since when did the US election become part of it?

Since the opposition is being financed by a guy who is doing a passing impersonation of Ernst Stavro Blofeld.

[Lukasz]

Let the Russians and Ukrainians sort this out themselves. We need to stay far, fa r away.

Russians should keep their noses in Russia!! Poland will never accept Russian Yanukovych.

[Poohbah]

Why was Soros so much against the re-election of Bush? I've seen a theory floated that the Bush administration has made shady currency speculation much more difficult. Currency speculation is where Soros made his fortune.

Which makes me wonder what favors he's going to demand from Yushchenko.

[Poohbah]

Russians should keep their noses in Russia!! Poland will never accept Russian Yanukovych.

Poles should keep their noses in Poland.

[El Gato]

When thieves would be in your home probably you would wish to see police there as well.

Maybe to help clean up the mess. I'll take care of the thieves myself. The police might be about as likely to shoot me or a member of my family as to shoot the thieves.

[Lukasz]

We do, as long as the Russians doing the same!

[HipShot]

"Let the Russians and Ukrainians sort this out themselves. We need to stay far, far away."

Sorry, no can do. The Ukraine is an active ally in the WOT. They have fought alongside our men in Iraq.

That isolationist logic was attempted when the blitzkrieg took down free nations. The ensuing 50 years should not be forgotten so quickly.

Ivan has no place in their free election. He has no place in Georgia or Belarus either, but is making moves there as well.

Who is going to stop this? If they ask for help we should deliver without reserve.

[Destro]

Because all objective evidence shows they are going in the opposite direction.