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Accused Shooter Claiming Self- Defense, Playing Race Card (WI Hunter Massacre)
WTMJ-AM Radio | 11/23/04 | WTMJ Radio News

Posted on 11/23/2004 11:06:28 AM PST by mafree

According to WTMJ-Am radio news, the hunter accused of killing six hunters is now claiming he was shot at first. He is saying he left property the first time he was asked and the other hunters followed him, surrounded him, called him racial and other names, and shot at him first.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: deerhuntingshooting; deerstand; hmong; hunter; hunting; racecard; vang; wihunters; wisconsin
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To: hiredhand
The "assault weapon" hype didn't stick

I'm surprised it didn't. Them SKS's look pretty nasty ya know. And that's what makes an 'assault' weapon nowadays.

101 posted on 11/23/2004 2:24:02 PM PST by Terriergal ("Woe to you...Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!"Matthew 23:23a,24)
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To: MineralMan
the folks that he's talking about are dead, or at least most of 'em are. So we may just have Vang's word for it.

No way. "they called me names and wanted me to leave so I shot EIGHT of them? Including a woman and child? Several minutes apart? (at least several minute because the ones shot *called* for help, as I understand it, and the help was shot while coming.)

102 posted on 11/23/2004 2:25:39 PM PST by Terriergal ("Woe to you...Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!"Matthew 23:23a,24)
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To: MineralMan
I've heard some pretty nasty comments about Hmongs around St. Paul, so it's not out of the realm of possibility, I suppose.

I've heard some nasty news stories about Hmong deer hunters. Which is worse? I have also heard they don't really catch on (or refuse to catch on) to the idea of private property. People accuse Americans of being trigger-happy cowboys protecting their turf, well qpparently the Hmong are more gung-ho gun-totin' cowboys.

If this is a symptom of their attitude, I'm betting we just aren't *hearing* the slurs they call us, because we don't speak their language.

103 posted on 11/23/2004 2:28:45 PM PST by Terriergal ("Woe to you...Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!"Matthew 23:23a,24)
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To: joesnuffy
Hmong cop they hired had been convicted of rape...but this was waved...as it was considered a cultural heritage issue...

He should run for President!

yeesh. Thanks for your post. I don't doubt any of it!

104 posted on 11/23/2004 2:31:02 PM PST by Terriergal ("Woe to you...Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!"Matthew 23:23a,24)
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To: The_Reader_David
It's...the maximum penalty for multiple second-degree murders (it hardly seems premeditated)...

Depends on how Wisconsin's laws and jurisprudence define "premeditated". I thought it was interesting that this guy stopped and removed the telescopic sight from his rifle (according to a report I read this morning), before opening fire on the other hunters. That pause might be enough to kick the charge up to 1st Degree Murder, or whatever Wisconsin calls it.

105 posted on 11/23/2004 2:33:30 PM PST by Charles Martel ("Diplomats. The best diplomat I know of is a fully loaded phaser bank" - Cdr. Montgomery Scott)
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To: MineralMan
I suppose it's possible. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Problem is, the folks that he's talking about are dead, or at least most of 'em are. So we may just have Vang's word for it.

What do you mean take his word for it? He brutally murdered 6 people, wounding others.

You seem very quick to believe or imply that a mass murderer may have some kind of excuse for his actions.

I've heard some pretty nasty comments about Hmongs around St. Paul, so it's not out of the realm of possibility, I suppose.

Uh huh....Sure.

106 posted on 11/23/2004 2:40:41 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: JFK_Lib
It is simply unbelievable that anyone thinks this had anything to do with racism

Assuming that this had nothing to do about racism, then what the hell was this about. Fact is, it is hard to comprehend what caused this and racism is as good a guess as any.

107 posted on 11/23/2004 2:42:34 PM PST by staytrue
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To: staytrue
Fact is, it is hard to comprehend what caused this and racism is as good a guess as any.

My guess would be they were killed by someone that has *no* value for human life, and anyone that may have been near this individual in the past, was in extreme danger.

108 posted on 11/23/2004 2:49:31 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: staytrue

In the old days an angry mob would have drug him out and hung him by now.


109 posted on 11/23/2004 2:53:51 PM PST by San Jacinto (It's not much of a crime to whack a surly bartender...or a surly blue stater for that matter.)
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To: joesnuffy

Wow... I can now see why Thailand refused to grant the Hmong anything beyond "temporary refugee" status. We should've been similarly cautious, but NOOoooooo....


110 posted on 11/23/2004 2:54:16 PM PST by Charles Martel ("Diplomats. The best diplomat I know of is a fully loaded phaser bank" - Cdr. Montgomery Scott)
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To: staytrue

The only thing that to me seems really strange is that why would this guy, who is from MN I believe, drive to WI and get and have in his possession a valid hunting permit only then to go on a killing spree?

If all he was going to do was trespass anyway and hunt, why the permit?

There is more to the story I think, at least when you consider that the guy (Vang) actually went through the trouble of obtaining a permit to hunt.

What if the first guy that got shot fired first at Vang and missed? If I was Vang, I'd be hightailing it out of there and if I heard a bunch of this guys buds behind me, what's to keep Vang from thinking that they might try to kill him too?

If Vang was clearly in the wrong, wouldn't he want to KILL EVERYONE who saw him, i.e. leave no witnesses?

I don't believe Vang in total, but something does not pass the smell test...


111 posted on 11/23/2004 2:56:44 PM PST by Ethrane ("semper consolar")
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To: Ethrane

And don't forget the emergency personal. They may well have come to the scene to kill him as well.


112 posted on 11/23/2004 3:01:05 PM PST by San Jacinto (It's not much of a crime to whack a surly bartender...or a surly blue stater for that matter.)
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To: San Jacinto
In the old days an angry mob would have drug him out and hung him by now.

Indeed. Well, I'm sure the Aryan Brotherhood will be looking forward to his arrival at Wisconsin State Prison.

113 posted on 11/23/2004 3:01:14 PM PST by Charles Martel ("Diplomats. The best diplomat I know of is a fully loaded phaser bank" - Cdr. Montgomery Scott)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

The people on this forum defending this man in the guise of "diversity" are plain off their rockers. It seems they are stuck using the phrase "hard working" over and over, but they never mention at what they are hard working at.


114 posted on 11/23/2004 3:02:29 PM PST by junta
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To: Ethrane

Here's a link to the PDF of the criminal complaint.

http://www.startribune.com/style/news/newsgraphics/files/shooting1123.pdf

It's a little tough to read, as in, it's of poor quality. Well worth to time to go through it.


115 posted on 11/23/2004 3:02:36 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo
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To: mafree

116 posted on 11/23/2004 3:03:54 PM PST by Search4Truth (When a man lies he murders some part of the world.)
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To: AgThorn

Look. The guy shot 6 people. If they had been shooting at him, they would have been ready to shoot and not stood there and got slaughtered. He's lying.


117 posted on 11/23/2004 3:04:32 PM PST by AuntB ( A people only understand the concept of democracy if they've fought and died for it.)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

"What do you mean take his word for it? "

Do you bother to actually READ the words? I did not say we had to TAKE his word. I said we would only HAVE his word.

Big difference.

And if you don't think some people call the Hmong residents of the Twin Cities bad names, you're dreaming. It happens all the time.

That does not excuse this man, and I have never suggested otherwise.

Please read my words as carefully as I write them!


118 posted on 11/23/2004 3:09:21 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: junta
My guess would be they were killed by someone that has *no* value for human life, and anyone that may have been near this individual in the past, was in extreme danger.

The people on this forum defending this man in the guise of "diversity" are plain off their rockers. It seems they are stuck using the phrase "hard working" over and over, but they never mention at what they are hard working at.

Crying racism is a tool of the extreme left, used, or once used quite effectivly. Most nowadays can see through this utter bull crap. They've worn the tool out.

119 posted on 11/23/2004 3:11:30 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: mafree

I believe it. I think they did call him a racial name. But that would not be enough to kill them.
Same thing that happened at the basketball brawl. When the white guy threw that beer it was like an insult that was ten times greater than anyone else throwing it.


120 posted on 11/23/2004 3:12:21 PM PST by rave123
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