Chai Soua Vang, 36, of St. Paul, Minn
Posted on 11/21/2004 4:15:12 PM PST by Jotmo
EXELAND, Wis. - Five people are dead and three injured in a shooting incident that apparently began over a hunting dispute in western Wisconsin.
The confrontation began around noon in a rural area southwestern Sawyer County. Authorities said a hunting party returning to their deer shack reported seeing a hunter unknown to them occupying their tree stand. That led to a shooting.
One of the shooting victims used a walkie talkie to radio back to the deer shack for help. When the victim's hunting partners came to the scene, they were also shot.
Sawyer County was in a virtual lockdown as authorities searched for the gunman. One suspect was eventually taken into custody around 5:15 p.m.
The suspect's name has not been released.
Officials at Lakeview Medical Center in Rice Lake said they have treated at least three gunshot victims. They said one of the victims was transported to a hospital in Marshfield, WI. Another victim is in critical condition and is undergoing surgery. The third victim is in fair condition in the intensive care unit.
Your 41 mag carry; a Smith & Wesson or Ruger? I carry a 6 1/2 Smith 44 mag (had to have it) and I think I would have enjoyed the 41 more. If I shoot a 38, 357, 9mm, 45, I just set and shoot. When I use the 44 I am not as relaxed, but have made some great shots with it. I should have gone with the 41.
BTW, never shot a 41.
Parish as in church or as in La. parish?
joesnuffy, thanks for your insightful, informational post on the Hmongs. It rings all too true with what I've seen in your neck of the woods in WI.
Nearby hunter describes unusual day in woods
Al Widiker hunts about a quarter-mile from the camp where five people were killed and three were wounded Sunday, and he said that he believes his party was inside its cabin having lunch when the shooting happened.
"Otherwise we would have heard it," Widiker said in a telephone interview Sunday night. "The hunters who were shot own 80 acres next to thousands and thousands of acres of county-owned [public] land."
After finishing lunch, Widiker and his party hunted a parcel of land in a direction opposite that of the neighboring 80 acres. "But it was pretty hard to hunt, because there was a plane flying low over us in the afternoon," he said.
Later, he learned it was a police or sheriff's airplane.
Also while hunting Sunday afternoon, Widiker heard cars on nearby roads repeatedly honking their horns. Friends and relatives of hunters in the woods, he said, were trying to alert them to quit hunting.
"What they understood at that time was that a man wearing camouflage clothing was in the woods, shooting hunters," Widiker said.
As his party departed their hunting area, Widiker said, they were stopped by authorities who checked their car registration and ID. They were then advised to remove their blaze orange clothing before continuing.
Widiker said he was told the suspect had been confronted that morning by one or more of the hunters who were later shot. The suspect was hunting on the 80 acres owned by the men and was told to leave.
Hmong hunters commonly gather to camp and hunt on the public land during the nine-day Wisconsin firearms deer season, Widiker said. The season began Saturday.
Early Sunday evening, officers arrested a 36-year-old St. Paul man, Chai Soua Vang, in connection with the shootings.
"There are square miles and square miles of public land next to that 80 acres," Widiker said. "Why would anyone want to hunt that private land when there was so much public land nearby?"
Widiker's party did not return to its hunting camp on Sunday. They plan to clean out the cabin today and not go back until next season.
"Who wants to be the next guy in a tree stand if someone comes shooting?" he said.
A fair percentage of Hmongs have had a tough time making the leap from their
fairly primitive life back home...to modern life in the USA.
When my brother was at grad school at the U. Minnesota, he mentioned that a
police officer got sort of "honorable mention" because he'd managed to kill
two Hmong bad-boys with a single blast from his shotgun.
(IIRC, they had long police records).
well said.
The 7.62x39-mm round fired by SKSs is ballistically similar to a 30-30, SKSs are cheap and accurate, and if you replace the 10-round attached magazine with a 5-round magazine it is a legal firearm for hunting.
A gun is a gun.
Chai Soua Vang, 36, of St. Paul, Minn
You're wrong.
Read the thread I linked to, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1164576/posts
and my post over there in particular. This has little to do with liberal meddling. Some find it hard to believe that evil exists in the world. Evidently you are one.
You know nothing about the people who were brutally murdered here or their innocence or guilt before a Holy God, and you made an absurd connection with their tragic deaths and the way the state voted.
It was vicious.
Thank you. My reply to her post would get my @ss banned permanently.
I would get banned as well. Thank you. I'm new here and don't want to get banned responding to this.
Yikes! Would you want a nurse like her?
As a strong pro-life Christian, NOTHING makes me angrier than using that position to defend the indefensible.......especially here, where it involves the death of innocents.
And to pile on top of it misuse of Scripture, and presumption of guilt on the part of those who were horrified by what she said (such as we), I had to reply..........(and try to do so without getting myself banned. :o)
I hope she doesn't treat her patients as she sees fit in order of worth according to her version of the bible. Sounds like, in her mind, anyone who gets hurt or killed in a situation like this has done something to deserve what they got.
Mind boggling.
Thanks for responding to gloria. I couldn't. I was afraid to. (Hog sorting language would have taken over, and all the Sailors who are lurking here would have rushed away blushing)
How do we know it wasn't self defense?
Let's face it. If you're up in a hunting tower and someone points a gun at you and you shoot him. Do you really think you could make it down alive without shooting the rest of the hunting party?
How do we KNOW it WAS self defense?
What we know is there are many details yet to be released.
Having said that, we also know that the fella in the tree stand was asked to leave (and did so) once, but returned and that's when the shooting occurred.
Yes, exact course of events is unclear.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1370582,00.html
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