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WWMD? (Ledeen- Brit soldier spared wounded Hitler in WWI)
National Review Online ^ | 11/18/04 | Michael Ledeen

Posted on 11/19/2004 11:12:35 AM PST by jalisco555

Machiavelli is commonly taken to be saying that the ends always justify the means, but he does not believe that. Quite the contrary. He simply recognizes the reality that there are times when a leader must accept dreadful responsibility in serving the common good.

We all know this to be true. Consider the story of Henry Tandey, a British infantryman in the Duke of Wellington Regiment in the First World War. On September 28, 1918, Tandey participated in an attack against enemy trenches near the small French town of Marcoing. The British carried the day, and as they advanced, Tandey Cautiously peered into a trench. He saw an enemy soldier, a corporal, lying bleeding on the ground. It would have been easy for Tandey to finish off his enemy, as he had killed many that day; Tandey had played an heroic role in the battle and later was awarded the Victoria Cross, the highest wartime decoration, for his great courage. But he felt it was wrong to shoot an injured man, and he spared the corporal's life.

In 1940, during the Nazi bombardment of Coventry, when Tandey worked as a security guard at the Triumph automobile factory, he gnashed his teeth. "Had I known what that corporal was going to become! God knows how sad I am that I spared him." The corporal was Adolf Hitler. Tandey's human gesture had led to the deaths of millions of people and, in a bitter irony of military destiny, had placed his own life at the mercy of the monster whose life he could have taken.

Murder is surely evil, yet every reasonable person will agree that the cause of good would have been greatly advanced if Henry Tandey had killed Hitler in that trench. History abounds with examples of good actions furthering the cause of evil...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Germany; News/Current Events; Philosophy; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: history; hitler; ledeen; michaelledeen; terrorism; werewolves; wwi
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Fascinating. I never knew this.
1 posted on 11/19/2004 11:12:36 AM PST by jalisco555
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To: jalisco555

And maybe that Marine killed off the next Bin Laden. Semper fi!


2 posted on 11/19/2004 11:13:55 AM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: jalisco555
Very interesting.

What would today have been like if Clinton had grabbed bin Laden when he could?

The fatalist in me says that someone else would have been Hitler, and another UBL would have arisen,,,sometimes it is just destiny.

3 posted on 11/19/2004 11:18:53 AM PST by Former Dodger ("False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil. " - Plato)
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To: jalisco555

i don't beleive that the event described involving hitler ocurred, unless someone can set me to rights.


4 posted on 11/19/2004 11:19:08 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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To: jalisco555

I had never heard it either until you posted it. More here:
http://www.worldwar1.com/heritage/hitler2.htm


5 posted on 11/19/2004 11:19:45 AM PST by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("Hell, I don't want to meet them sons of bitches." Elvis Presley on the Beatles)
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To: jalisco555
yet every reasonable person will agree that the cause of good would have been greatly advanced if Henry Tandey had killed Hitler in that trench

No. If Hitler hadn't done what he did, the world would be a different place. Maybe better, maybe worse. We don't know.

6 posted on 11/19/2004 11:22:09 AM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: xm177e2

Good point, You must read the books of Phil K Dick.


7 posted on 11/19/2004 11:25:48 AM PST by der Hund
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To: T. Buzzard Trueblood

It set off my "urban legend" Spidey sense, but it doesn't appear to be an out-and-out fraud. It can't be absolutely proven true but it's quite possibly true.

Of course, we see how facing the horrors of combat like John Kerry guarantees that someone will be a wise and just ruler. /sarcasm off.


8 posted on 11/19/2004 11:26:37 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: jalisco555

That would make a great Twilight Zone episode.


9 posted on 11/19/2004 11:27:22 AM PST by The G Man (The "Red States" ... the world's only hope for survival.)
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To: Former Dodger
The fatalist in me says that someone else would have been Hitler, and another UBL would have arisen,,,sometimes it is just destiny.

I had that same conversation with a friend not too long ago. I argued that the times were such that they favoured the development of a Hitler, and that likely someone would have stepped into the vacuum. Men sometimes make the times and sometimes the times makes the men. Who is to know?

10 posted on 11/19/2004 11:28:18 AM PST by Kay Syrah (nice finish)
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I think we would have been fighting the Soviet Union instead of Germany.


11 posted on 11/19/2004 11:29:52 AM PST by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: jalisco555
Fascinating. I never knew this.

I doubt that it is true. It sounds like it is along the lines of Ollie North's recent fictional story: WW II Flashback: 'Terrorists' Kill 1,000 Americans in Postwar Germany http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1281629/posts

12 posted on 11/19/2004 11:34:05 AM PST by PAR35
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I think we would have been fighting the Soviet Union instead of Germany.

There's a computer game (called Red Alert, I think) based on that very premise.

13 posted on 11/19/2004 11:34:31 AM PST by jalisco555 ("The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity." W. B. Yeats)
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To: T. Buzzard Trueblood

Ledeen's a careful guy. I was sure he did his homework before writing this piece.


14 posted on 11/19/2004 11:35:36 AM PST by jalisco555 ("The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity." W. B. Yeats)
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Whenever I hear someone use the word Macchiavelli in a negative way I am convinced they never read his book.


15 posted on 11/19/2004 11:36:57 AM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR POWERS EQUAL TO THE TASKS)
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Hitler was "wounded" by poison gas in the Great War.

16 posted on 11/19/2004 11:37:10 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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Hitler was "wounded" by poison gas in the Great War.

I know. Some gas victims suffered terribly.

17 posted on 11/19/2004 11:40:21 AM PST by jalisco555 ("The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity." W. B. Yeats)
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"Whenever I hear someone use the word Macchiavelli in a negative way I am convinced they never read his book."

"The Prince must always kill his sponsor." - Machiavelli, The Prince

18 posted on 11/19/2004 11:41:22 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: PAR35

"It sounds like it is along the lines of Ollie North's recent fictional story: WW II Flashback: 'Terrorists' Kill 1,000 Americans in Postwar Germany http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1281629/posts"

Maybe you should read more about WWII....this story is true.

The Werewolves were originally organised by the SS and the Hitler Youth as a diversionary operation on the fringes of the Third Reich, which were occupied by the Western Allies and the Soviets in the autumn of 1944. Some 5,000 -- 6,000 recruits were raised by the winter of 1944-45, but numbers rose considerably in the following spring when the Nazi Party and the Propaganda Ministry launched a popular call to arms, beseeching everybody in the occupied areas -- even women and children -- to launch themselves upon the enemy. In typical Nazi fashion, this expansion was not co-ordinated by the relevant bodies, which were instead involved in a bureaucratic war among themselves over control of the project. The result was that the movement functioned on two largely unrelated levels: the first as a real force of specially trained SS, Hitler Youth and Nazi Party guerrillas; the second as an outlet for casual violence by fanatics.

The Werewolves specialised in ambushes and sniping, and took the lives of many Allied and Soviet soldiers and officers -- perhaps even that of the first Soviet commandant of Berlin, General N.E. Berzarin, who was rumoured to have been waylaid in Charlottenburg during an incident in June 1945. Buildings housing Allied and Soviet staffs were favourite targets for Werewolf bombings; an explosion in the Bremen police headquarters, also in June 1945, killed five Americans and thirty-nine Germans. Techniques for harassing the occupiers were given widespread publicity through Werewolf leaflets and radio propaganda, and long after May 1945 the sabotage methods promoted by the Werewolves were still being used against the occupying powers.

Although the Werewolves originally limited themselves to guerrilla warfare with the invading armies, they soon began to undertake scorched-earth measures and vigilante actions against German `collaborators' or `defeatists'. They damaged Germany's economic infrastructure, already battered by Allied bombing and ground fighting, and tried to prevent anything of value from falling into enemy hands. Attempts to blow up factories, power plants or waterworks occasionally provoked melees between Werewolves and desperate German workers trying to save the physical basis of their employment, particularly in the Ruhr and Upper Silesia.

Several sprees of vandalism through stocks of art and antiques, stored by the Berlin Museum in a flak tower at Friedrichshain, caused millions of dollars worth of damage and cultural losses of inestimable value. In addition, vigilante attacks caused the deaths of a number of small-town mayors and, in late March 1945, a Werewolf paratroop squad assassinated the Lord Mayor of Aachen, Dr Franz Oppenhoff, probably the most prominent German statesman to have emerged in the occupied fringes over the winter of 1944-45. This spate of killings, part of a larger Nazi terror campaign that consumed the Third Reich after the failed anti-Hitler putsch of July 20th, 1944, can be interpreted as a psychological retreat back into opposition, even while Nazi leaders were still clinging to their last few months of power.

Although the Werewolves managed to make themselves a nuisance to small Allied and Soviet units, they failed to stop or delay the invasion and occupation of Germany, and did not succeed in rousing the population into widespread opposition to the new order. The SS and Hitler Youth organisations at the core of the Werewolf movement were poorly led, short of supplies and weapons, and crippled by infighting. Their mandate was a conservative one of tactical harassment, at least until the final days of the war, and even when they did begin to envision the possibility of an underground resistance that could survive the Third Reich's collapse, they had to contend with widespread civilian war-weariness and fear of enemy reprisals. In Western Germany, no one wanted to do anything that would diminish the pace of Anglo-American advance and possibly thereby allow the Red Army to push further westward.

Despite its failure, however, the Werewolf project had a huge impact, widening the psychological and spiritual gap between Germans and their occupiers. Werewolf killings and intimidation of `collaborators' scared almost everybody, giving German civilians a clear glimpse into the nihilistic heart of Nazism. It was difficult for people working under threat of such violence to devote themselves unreservedly to the initial tasks of reconstruction. Worse still, the Allies and Soviets reacted to the movement with extremely tough controls, curtailing the right of assembly of German civilians. Challenges of any sort were met by collective reprisals -- especially on the part of the Soviets and the French. In a few cases the occupiers even shot hostages and cleared out towns where instances of sabotage occurred. It was standard practice for the Soviets to destroy whole communities if they faced a single act of resistance. In the eastern fringes of the `Greater Reich', now annexed by the Poles and the Czechoslovaks, Werewolf harassment handed the new authorities an excuse to rush the deportations of millions of ethnic Germans to occupied Germany.

Such policies were understandable, but they created an unbridgeable gulf between the German people and the occupation forces who had pledged to impose essential reforms. It was hard, in such conditions, for the occupiers to encourage reform, and even harder to persuade the Germans that it was necessary.

By the time that this rough opposition to the occupation had started to soften, the Cold War was under way and reform became equally difficult to implement. As a result, both German states created in 1949 were not so dissimilar to their predecessor as might have been hoped, and changes in attitudes and institutions developed only slowly. Thanks partly to the Werewolves there was no German revolution in 1945, either imposed from above or generated from below.

The Last Nazis by Perry Biddiscombe, is published this month by Tempus. The book explores the background to the movement, its operations and its wholly negative legacy to the history of reconstruction in postwar Germany.

The Last Nazis is available in bookshops, priced 19.99/$32.50 [pounds sterling], or by calling 01453 883300 (UK) or 001-888-313-2665 (North America).


19 posted on 11/19/2004 11:49:24 AM PST by Ginifer
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To: jalisco555

I do remember reading that Hitler was wounded in a mustard gas attack in 1918 & evacuated to Silesia(Eastern Germany)He was there when the news of the end of the war came. As far as I remember he was evacuated by German troops. I do know that exchanges of wounded prisoners were common during WW 1 & to some extent in WW2 & each opposing side would often call a local truce so that their medical troops could police up the battlefield of their dead & wounded.


20 posted on 11/19/2004 11:53:04 AM PST by Larry381 (Wanted: Country willing to import thousands of whining liberals-no returns accepted)
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