Posted on 11/19/2004 9:56:00 AM PST by dj_animal_2000
BERLIN -- Friday Germanys intelligence service was aware of Kosovo Albanian plans for the violence which swept Serbias southern province in March, according to German media.
Television ZDF claims that intelligence agents had the information several weeks before the outbreak which left 19 people dead, a large number injured and hundreds of houses and church buildings destroyed.
Three weeks before the violence, intelligence services intercepted a conversation in which an Albanian spoke about preparations for an attack on Serbia, said ZDF, quoting intelligence documents.
The same person, according to the report, claimed to be in contact with Al-Qaida and was a paid informer of the German intelligence service BND according to a number of unnamed sources.
A spokesman for the intelligence service refused to comment on the case.
ZDF also claimed that the same informer also warned that there could be a similar outbreak of violence at any moment.
It only needs a spark, and were in a position to deploy 30,000 guerrillas, said ZDFs source.
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CNN/Reuters
Germany knew Kosovo violence was planned - report
CNN/Reuters
November 19, 2004
A broadcaster said on Thursday that German intelligence knew in advance that ethnic Albanians in Kosovo were planning violence in March that Western officials have said took them by surprise.
The anti-Serb riots, the worst violence in the Serbian province since the 1999 Kosovo war, left 19 people dead and many injured. Hundreds of homes were set ablaze.
German broadcaster ZDF said intelligence services intercepted conversations three weeks before the clashes broke out in which an ethnic Albanian discussed with an accomplice preparations for attacks on minority Serbs.
Citing intelligence service documents and unidentified sources, it said the man was also a paid informant of Germany's foreign intelligence service (BND).
A BND spokeswoman declined comment on the report.
The United Nations and NATO, partners in a peace mission for the past five years since allied bombing drove Serb forces out, said at the time the scale, speed and intensity of the mid-March violence took them by surprise.
Western officials have said the rioting was clearly orchestrated and directed by Albanian extremists in the province, whose majority Albanians demand full independence from Serbia.
Thousands of ethnic Albanians attacked Serb enclaves and churches as well as NATO peacekeepers and U.N. police.
Serbs outside Kosovo responded with attacks on a mosque in the Serbian capital Belgrade and another in the southern town of Nis. Most ethnic Albanians in Kosovo are Muslims, while Serbs are Orthodox Christians.
ZDF said its reporters had spoken to the ethnic Albanian informant, who told them: "Similar trouble could break out again at any time. It just needs a spark. We are in a position ... to put 30,000 guerrilla fighters into action."
Kosovo, a landlocked Serbian province of two million people, has been under U.N. administration since June 1999 after an 11-week NATO bombing campaign to halt Serbian repression of ethnic Albanians.
That is until they became billclinton's new best friends.
"Similar trouble could break out again at any time. It just needs a spark. We are in a position ... to put 30,000 guerrilla fighters into action."
I saw the interview on the german website with this guy....
I wonder, if they have 30'000 fighters ready, who armed them and why...???
That should read "invading ethnic Albanian ragheads".
Fighting for the INVADING Ragheads against the Christians already there was and is the most disgraceful moment in our country's history.
I never felt more ashamed of America. I never though I would root for our "enemies". Yes flame me - I rooted for the resident Christians and their Serbian Protectors over the UN forces.
"if they have 30'000 fighters ready, who armed them and why...???"
Well I guess that Dutch documentary that was circulating FreeRepublic prior to the US election is a clue to where they got some of thier weapons from.
As to why? I'll say we are going to find out next year.
great post, Mate.
Bump!
Mainstream media, Destro, can you believe it!
German police contigent acted professionally during the March pogrom. It was WEHRMACHT (er, Bundeswehr) that acted seemingly sheepishly. They acted in cold blood, as this report shows.
Germans have had a very good reason.
After the WWII, Aliies forbade German army to own and use CHEMICAL AGENTS because it seemed prudent precaution having in mind what Germany did in WWI and WWII.
Since teargas (CS) is listed as chemical agent, Bundeswhehr in Kosovo was not allowed to use it as non-lethal crowd disperser. Although they could use rubber bullets and other non-chemical, non-lethal agents, they did not. They wanted to make case of Bundeswehr being inefficient because it can not use CHEMICAL AGENTS.
After the March pogrom, the issue was debated in Bundestag and Bundeswehr was given the right to use chemical agents.
Soon afterwards, Germany pressed for new FIRST STRIKE Nuclear policy for joint EU forces.
Germany does not have WMD. Yet. But have right to use chemical agents and will have access to French and perhaps even British nukes via political means.
In 1999 NATO aggression Bundeswehr acted militarilly outside of German soil and that was in violation of German Constitution. Precedent was set.
In 2004 Bundeswehr was given right to use chemical agents. Again owing to Kosovo.
In 2004 Germany influenced how French nukes will be used for First Strike (watch out Israel)
Oops.... I forgot the rules,only Israel and the U.S. can defend themselves against Islamic Terror, not Orthodox Christians.
The reason they are referred to as Ethnic al-Banians is they aren't Kosovars. They are invading rags that we supported
His Name is Samedin Xhesairi....Do you guys have more informations about him....???
btw...if you guys understand or speak german, here's the link to the report of ZDF (video included):
You don't know what you are talking about. And since we've discussed this before, you're willfully clueless. The Albanians are our allies; here's from the State Department background notes on Albania:
"Albanian peacekeepers are part of the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan and the international stabilization force in Iraq. Albania has been a steadfast supporter of U.S. policy in Iraq, and one of only four nations to contribute troops to the combat phase of Operation Enduring Freedom.[where they've suffered casualties] ... Albania enjoys friendly and cooperative bilateral relations with the U.S. Pro-U.S. sentiment is widespread among the population...Albania has wholeheartedly supported the U.S. in the global war on terrorism, by freezing terrorist assets, shutting down suspect Islamic NGOs, expelling Islamic extremists, and providing military and diplomatic support for the U.S.-led actions in Afghanistan and Iraq.
with our US Navy ships forbidden to enter their ports
That might be news to the Navy. They've conducted gunnery exercises at Albania's Sazan Island in the Adriatic and this past year the Marines deploying to Afghanistan did their final prep exercise in Albanian military training areas. The 173d Airborne has trained there and our 10th S.F. has been on several exercises.
Both Rumsfeld & Powell have visited Albania to thank them; Powell even walked into the crowd in downtown Tirana and shook hands. I've been all over the world in my military career and have never been to a more pro-American place. It just angers me to see you spit in their face while that country has supported us every step of the way and their soldiers are bleeding in Iraq along with our guys.
We've discussed this before and you still don't know what you're talking about. The Albanians are our allies; here's from the State Department background notes on Albania:
"Albanian peacekeepers are part of the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan and the international stabilization force in Iraq. Albania has been a steadfast supporter of U.S. policy in Iraq, and one of only four nations to contribute troops to the combat phase of Operation Enduring Freedom.[where they've suffered casualties] ... Albania enjoys friendly and cooperative bilateral relations with the U.S. Pro-U.S. sentiment is widespread among the population...Albania has wholeheartedly supported the U.S. in the global war on terrorism, by freezing terrorist assets, shutting down suspect Islamic NGOs, expelling Islamic extremists, and providing military and diplomatic support for the U.S.-led actions in Afghanistan and Iraq.
with our US Navy ships forbidden to enter their ports
That might be news to the Navy. They've conducted gunnery exercises at Albania's Sazan Island in the Adriatic and this past year the Marines deploying to Afghanistan did their final prep exercise in Albanian military training areas. The 173d Airborne has trained there and our 10th S.F. has been on several exercises.
Both Rumsfeld & Powell have visited Albania to thank them; Powell even walked into the crowd in downtown Tirana and shook hands. I've been all over the world in my military career and have never been to a more pro-American place. It just angers me to see you spit in their face while that country has supported us every step of the way and their soldiers are bleeding in Iraq along with our guys.
I was discussing the time BEFORE we began bombing Serbia into submission.
Nice, both ignorant and racist.
The Albanians have been the majority population in Kosovo since the 18th Century. During the 20th Century they've varied roughly between 2/3 and 9/10 of the population. Kosovo is their home. After the Serbs conquered Kosovo in the 1912-1913 Balkans War and amputated it from the rest of the Albanian populated lands, the term ethnic-Albanian came into use to distinguish between those Albanians who lived within the newly established borders of the country of Albania versus the Albanians in western Macedonia, Kosovo, and southern Montenegro who were left ouside the political borders of Albania.
The Kosovar Albanians believe that after the 1912-1913 Balkans War they were unjustly placed under Serbian rule in violation of the principle of self determination. They see the conflict as a struggle for liberation against an alien, oppressive, and at times brutal Belgrade government.
As for your "raghead" comment: The Albanians are a European race. They are largely secular and religiously tolerant. The President of Albania is Catholic. The Prime Minister is Orthodox. The Kosovar President is also Catholic. While in rural areas, some men still wear a distinctive white skull cap, for the most part they dress as westerners--not "ragheads". Here's some photos of Albanians in Albania (the women tend to wear their burkas a little tight):
There's only 1800 troops left in Kosovo; mostly National Guard. The United States military forces that aren't doing much aren't in Kosovo, they're in our Navy & Air Force. Time to turn some of those guys into ground pounders. We don't need to close the GIUK gap anymore--I think the Soviets have given up on coming that way. Although our Navy hasn't figured that out yet. And that gray funnel on the horizon is vastly over-rated; e.g. Iraq, Iran, Somalia, Haiti, Liberia, Balkans ethnic cleansing--didn't stop any of it.
Now, as for the Serb Army coming in to "restore order", the last time they were in charge, thousands of Albanians & hundreds of Serbs died; not to mention hundreds of thousands of refugees and tens of thousands of destroyed homes. If that's the order you want--sure, send the Serbs back in. All the post-riot histrionics notwithstanding, a total of 11 Albanians and 8 Serbs were killed in the March violence. It not only could have been a lot worse, it has been--when the Serbs were in charge.
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