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To: ThinkDifferent; Bella_Bru
I must have missed the part of W's platform where he calls for censorship of video games. Perhaps you'd be happier with a party that believes it takes a village to raise a child.

W was reelected because America is in the midst of a full bore Christian revival that sees no reason why America popular culture cannot be what it was before 1970. It happens historically. A full bore Christian revival replaced Regency culture with Victorian culture. And it was Christianity in the first place that displaced the carnal culture of late antiquity.

We have already seen the cultural reaction building up and it is only starting as America gets redder and redder. And it is what makes defenses of GTA on "free speech" ground so ridiculous. GTA was never meant for adults. It was always marketed entirely to children. It was never meant for "mature" audiences. It is a shot across the bow from mass media to every family in this country. The people who created GTA have targetted your child. So censorship is how parents fight back.

97 posted on 11/18/2004 12:37:50 PM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: Sam the Sham
A full bore Christian revival replaced Regency culture with Victorian culture. And it was Christianity in the first place that displaced the carnal culture of late antiquity.

Live however you want, but don't expect me to live according to your rules. And don't rely on the government to protect your children from adult content. That's your job.

So censorship is how parents fight back.

Lazy, irresponsible parents who love the nanny state, maybe.

Following your logic, we should ban anything that might be bad for the children: fatty foods, alcohol, tobacco, guns...religion?

102 posted on 11/18/2004 12:55:37 PM PST by Modernman (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Sam the Sham
W was reelected because America is in the midst of a full bore Christian revival that sees no reason why America popular culture cannot be what it was before 1970. It happens historically. A full bore Christian revival replaced Regency culture with Victorian culture. And it was Christianity in the first place that displaced the carnal culture of late antiquity.

President Bush is for freedom and a free market. Not a wannabe nanny state with self appointed mullahs running around, or a Vice and Virtue Squad.

106 posted on 11/18/2004 1:07:23 PM PST by Bella_Bru (Proud member of La Kosher Nostra and the IZC)
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To: Sam the Sham

Well if there's enough of a cultural revolution then it will no longer be profitable to make games like GTA. I have no problem with using market forces to clense the entertainment industry, actually I'm a big proponent of it. But understand there's two sides to market forces, not only do you need to make games like GTA not profitable you also need to make clean holsom games profitable. It goes across the board, show the entertainment industry there's dollar to be made by chasing the cultural conservatives and they will, or do you think it's just a coincidence that Left Behind got so many sequels.


108 posted on 11/18/2004 1:08:10 PM PST by discostu (mime is money)
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To: Sam the Sham
W was reelected because America is in the midst of a full bore Christian revival that sees no reason why America popular culture cannot be what it was before 1970.

That's a...creative interpretation. It could also have something to do with Americans wanting tax cuts and dead terrorists. Bush is not a theocrat, regardless of what you and the moonbat left would like to believe.

The people who created GTA have targetted your child. So censorship is how parents fight back.

So you advocate responding to the fake violence of video games with the actual violence of censorship. Not exactly consistent with limited government, free markets, or individual responsibility, is it?

112 posted on 11/18/2004 1:18:03 PM PST by ThinkDifferent (A plan is not a litany of complaints)
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To: Sam the Sham
W was reelected because America is in the midst of a full bore Christian revival

W would have lost had he not also received the votes of social moderates.

125 posted on 11/18/2004 1:57:33 PM PST by malakhi
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To: Sam the Sham

I'm afraid you're ignorant on this. The video game industry is very much marketing and developing toward adults. I play a lot of video games, and read a lot of media on video games, and it isn't geared toward children. The average gamer nowadays is between 20-30 years old. I personally know a crap load of people that fit this mold, many of which own a copy of San Andreas.


154 posted on 11/18/2004 2:34:19 PM PST by Sofa King (MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval.)
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To: Sam the Sham
W was reelected because America is in the midst of a full bore Christian revival that sees no reason why America popular culture cannot be what it was before 1970.
There's one huge reason: individual liberty. We're simply not going to accept that voluntarily, and you're unable to force it without dramatically curtailing said liberty. For everyone. Are you willing to live in what amounts to a police state to ensure that your neighbors aren't partaking in "naughty" entertainment? By the way, if so, you'd better get rid of the Second Amendment, too.

Bush and the GOP know that there's two critical parts to the current GOP coalition. One is the social conservatives. The other, perhaps even larger, is the fiscal/defense conservatives who are socially libertarian.

Ronald Reagan built the greatest electoral majority in recent history by keeping the left from forcing their anti-religious propaganda on the religious right, while refusing to let them enforce any cultural restraints. Conversely, when the religious right was allowed to have too much control of the GOP's agenda, we got eight years of Clinton.

It happens historically. A full bore Christian revival replaced Regency culture with Victorian culture. And it was Christianity in the first place that displaced the carnal culture of late antiquity.
That was not in a free society. A free society such as ours inevitably resists any attempt to dictate what shall be culturally popular. Indeed, America has developed the first true "popular culture", based upon individual preferences instead of "what's good for us", as interpreted by an elite. This culture is spreading the globe, carrying basic American concepts like individual liberty and freedom of conscience in its wake.

"Cultural conservatives", who are actually cultural collectivists, hate this, whether they are in Alabama , Afghanistan, France, or Brazil. In nations where liberty has not taken root, they have been able to suppress it.

Here, such an attempt, if made, Shall Be Resisted.

We have already seen the cultural reaction building up and it is only starting as America gets redder and redder.
America is getting redder and redder because the Democrats are all about the centralization of power and authority. The way to continue that trend is not to ape their approach towards same.
And it is what makes defenses of GTA on "free speech" ground so ridiculous. GTA was never meant for adults. It was always marketed entirely to children. It was never meant for "mature" audiences. It is a shot across the bow from mass media to every family in this country. The people who created GTA have targetted your child. So censorship is how parents fight back.
Interesting. Several of us, presumably adults and presumably conservatives (the latter proven by our unzotted status) have and play the game. So your claim that it was meant primarily for children falls flat on its face.

Proposing censorship "for the children" is much like arguing that adults must subsist on formula because baby can't handle steak. It's become a favorite tool of authoritarian wannabes on the left and right, the Hillary's and the Wildmons alike. It is, however, fully incompatible with liberty and freedom.

-Eric

173 posted on 11/19/2004 6:59:06 AM PST by E Rocc (Four More Years - Courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue)
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