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**ANTI-KIM JONG-IL FLYERS STARTING TO APPEAR AROUND N.KOREA: SECRET POLICE CRACKING DOWN**
Sankei Shimbun in Japanese (Tokyo) ^ | 18 November 2004 | AmericanInTokyo

Posted on 11/17/2004 12:50:28 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo

Edited on 11/17/2004 1:06:30 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Report from Sankei (Japanese) newspaper (conservative) coming in today (per link).

Said that a number of hand made circulars have been circulating widely around North Korea (Pyongyang, Nampo, Chonjin, Sinuiju), etc. The flyers are by an underground anti-Kim Jong-il group active in North Korea.

Sankei says they support the defector Hwang Jang Yop, who is now in South Korea.

There are several flyers which counter the common DPRK Party myths and deifications about Kim Jong-il, showing Kim as a spoiled aristocrat rather that a man of the people, with the Russian nickname "Yura" who did not even grow up nor was born in North Korea. Driving wedges between Kim and the starving people, commenting on the rich food he eats while people starve. Saying the "Chuche" Ideology of the North is a big farce which merely enslaves the Korean people. Another underground flyer (again hand written and many copies run off) that is making the rounds in North Korea says "Kim Jong-il killed his father Kim il-Sung".

Sankei reports the North Korean Secret Police is mobilizing in an attempt to find out who is doing this. They have re-instituted/re-fortified a civilian registration system in Pyongyang to track citizens with an eye toward cracking down on this type of subversion. The flyers also contain detailed personal information on Kim Jong-il that only those in select positions would know. Accordingly, north Korean defectors theorize that these flyers are gaining some cooperation from some people in positions of power in the NK military or Party (anti-Kim elements emerging?).

Copies of these flyers have been spotted (or made it out to) China and picked up by sources there.

(Developing)


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To: AmericanInTokyo

Looks like the CIA is busy in North Korea...


61 posted on 11/17/2004 1:29:08 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

His pictures are down only in some areas, and the ones who saw it were only a few foreign embassy types in P'yang. It is not throughout the countryside or elsewher at this point. Further, the announcers on DPRK TV are still wearing the KJI lapel pins and he is still referred to as living in the news reports. International telecommunications are up, and no strange military movements to report. Pyongyang is calm. If it were a coup and he was dead, they have pulled off a masterpiece of a quite action. I personally would say that buzzard has at least one or two years left at least. But which one of us really knows for SURE?


62 posted on 11/17/2004 1:29:56 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (I'll take 1 good "LET'S ROLL!" over 1,000 meaningless & vulgar "ALLAH AHKBAR"'s, any day!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
On the map in your post, what are the two red dots at six o'clock and 1300 km, and about five o'clock and 3000 km?

I presume that the red dot in Japan marks the location of Tokyo. The red dot in North Korea is their missile base, correct?

63 posted on 11/17/2004 1:31:08 PM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Kim Sr. died in 1994, not 1997.


64 posted on 11/17/2004 1:31:27 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (G-D'S TORAH defines conservatism.)
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To: RockinRight
Let's go in and help them finish the job, shall we?

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No.

65 posted on 11/17/2004 1:33:55 PM PST by wtc911 (W (will win) WON because God still loves America)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I'm hedging on China having convinced Kim if Bush won re-election, he'd best pick up his marbles and go home before he loses them.


66 posted on 11/17/2004 1:33:56 PM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Zionist Conspirator

sorry, meant after the three year traditional Chosun mouring period when Kim was elevated to the supreme posts in 1997. correct


67 posted on 11/17/2004 1:34:40 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (I'll take 1 good "LET'S ROLL!" over 1,000 meaningless & vulgar "ALLAH AHKBAR"'s, any day!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Curiouser and curiouser, said Alice!


68 posted on 11/17/2004 1:36:14 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: AmericanInTokyo
After a few beers, in Seoul, with the right people, you will get humorous stories about how younger Kim got in a terrible shouting match with his father, in 1997, that the Old Man croaked on the spot. Kim felt very dispondent afterwards. One thing is sure, Kim lost something like 50 pounds. He was very gaunt and sick looking at that funeral for the Old Man.

EEEEE!!! C'mon, people! Big Kim croaked in '94!!! Doesn't anyone but me remember???

69 posted on 11/17/2004 1:36:58 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (G-D'S TORAH defines conservatism.)
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To: azhenfud
If you ever get the opportunity to see "Children of the Secret State" that runs from time to time on the Discovery Times channel, do so. At one time this sort of documentary would have gotten play on one of the big 3 networks. How North Korea treats its children is the most disturbing thing I have ever watched.
70 posted on 11/17/2004 1:37:21 PM PST by Sthitch
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Sounds like the N Korean samizdat is gaining momentum! Great news!
71 posted on 11/17/2004 1:38:00 PM PST by eagle11 (Judge a religion not by the words of its adherents, but by their actions.)
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To: Chemist_Geek

three lower red dots Tokyo, Okinawa and Guam respectively, upper red dot is DPRK missile launch site. correcto


72 posted on 11/17/2004 1:38:44 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (I'll take 1 good "LET'S ROLL!" over 1,000 meaningless & vulgar "ALLAH AHKBAR"'s, any day!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Start a revolution..........


73 posted on 11/17/2004 1:38:55 PM PST by Right in Wisconsin
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Yes. But of course, Kim Il Sung died in 1994. Kim Jong il assumed total control of posts officially in 1997.


74 posted on 11/17/2004 1:42:58 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (I'll take 1 good "LET'S ROLL!" over 1,000 meaningless & vulgar "ALLAH AHKBAR"'s, any day!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

post 67 for clarification


75 posted on 11/17/2004 1:43:54 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (I'll take 1 good "LET'S ROLL!" over 1,000 meaningless & vulgar "ALLAH AHKBAR"'s, any day!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Kim Jong-il Orders Removal of His Portraits: Source:
http://www.yonhapnews.co.kr/Engnews/20041117/300200000020041117175345E4.html


76 posted on 11/17/2004 1:44:15 PM PST by Gucho
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Care to make a bet that those originated in China?


77 posted on 11/17/2004 1:44:28 PM PST by Thud
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To: AmericanInTokyo
sorry, meant after the three year traditional Chosun mouring period when Kim was elevated to the supreme posts in 1997. correct

Communists believe in tradition?

I knew nothing about a three year mourning period. I just remember in july 1994 Old Kim died and the local daily newspaper interviewed some Korean War veterans. Also the news noted that the "Great Leader" would now be replaced by the "Dear Leader." Gotta love those "anti-fascist" government titles!!!

78 posted on 11/17/2004 1:45:38 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (G-D'S TORAH defines conservatism.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Heh heh heh. Would it not be AWESOME if the entire Axis of Evil was gone by the end of Bush II's administration??


79 posted on 11/17/2004 1:45:48 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Gucho

That was one of the theories, talked about earlier today on FR. That it (taking signs down) was self-ordered, on threat by China that he would go the way of Mao if he didn't. Interesting to see China's movements in this regard. Again, the Bush re election is the big mover in all of this. Changed the whole scenario for Kim.


80 posted on 11/17/2004 1:46:20 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (I'll take 1 good "LET'S ROLL!" over 1,000 meaningless & vulgar "ALLAH AHKBAR"'s, any day!)
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