Posted on 11/16/2004 7:34:06 PM PST by kyperman
Hi all,
As some of you know, I have been harping about this OHIO recount for awhile, I have been called a Troll many times, and the longer I freep, the more I understand why.
I have been slowly coming around, and while I now believe that we probably do NOT have anything to worry about and should by all rights be celebrating every day, (and I am), I do believe that this OHIO business still merits some of our attention.
It does appear that a recount of OHIO is possible, thanks to the Greens and libs, it is not a sure thing by any means. Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell has the choice to OK or not OK this.
I do not fear a recount cause I know we did NOTHING wrong, if anyone should fear a recount it's the rats. But what I do fear is monkey business during a recount. In fact I believe that under a fair recount, Bush would probably pad his lead when all the fraud in Cleveland comes to light.
However, there appears to be an effort underway to put pressure on Mr. Blackwell to excuse himself from the process. Why would the rats want this? So they can play with the numbers.
I have e-mailed Mr. Blackwells office and asked him to NOT excuse himself from any possible recount. If there is a recount, we need to know that it's done on the up and up.
I have also asked him to really investigate why a recount is needed, and if he feels this is a attempt to overturn this election by fraud, to not even grant a recount.
Please join me in this effort. We are in the right here, we have nothing to fear except more fraud and tricks by the the rats. The only way this recount could possibly be a bad thing is if we don't demand that it's done properly.
www.guide@sos.state.oh.us www.election@sos.state.oh.us
I think Ken Blackwell can take care of himself. He may be President of the US one day.
I don't think the Greenies and such really have any idea of what they're getting themselves into in Ohio, in a state:
- with GOP legislature, GOP governor, and conservative, elected supreme court members.
- strict, statewide standards for hanging chads. (2 corners must be detached to be counted in an undervote situation)
- bipartisan election boards (3 R/3 D)
- no public tolerance this time around
I sincerely wish we could stick them with the true cost of the recount -- well over a million dollars. And I say that as an OHIO TAXPAYER.
Under Ohio law a recount is not auotmatic, and is done on a precint by precint bases not a statewide bases.
More About Ohio Recounts
The talk about a possible recount has triggered questions about who decides a recount is necessary. Heres what the law says:
From Chapter 3515.01 of the Ohio Revised Code Statutes
Any person for whom votes were cast in a primary election for nomination as a candidate for election to an office who was not declared nominated may file with the board of elections of a county a written application for a recount of the votes cast at such primary election in any precinct in such county for all persons for whom votes were cast in such precinct for such nomination.
Any person who was a candidate at a general, special, or primary election for election to an office or position who was not declared elected may file with the board of a county a written application for a recount of the votes cast at such election in any precinct in such county for all candidates for election to such office or position.
Any group of five or more qualified electors may file with the board of a county a written application for a recount of the votes cast at an election in any precinct in such county upon any question or issue, provided that the members of such group shall state in such application either that they voted Yes or in favor of such question or issue and that such question or issue was declared defeated or rejected, or that they voted No or against such question or issue and that such question or issue was declared carried or adopted. Such group of electors shall, in such application, designate one of the members of the group as chairman, and shall indicate therein the voting residence of each member of such group. In all such applications the person designated as chairman is the applicant for the purposes of sections 3515.01 to 3515.07 of the Revised Code, and all notices required by section 3515.03 of the Revised Code to be given to an applicant for a recount shall be given to such person. [my emphasis]
In the recount of absentee ballots that are tallied by county instead of by precinct, as provided in section 3509.06 of the Revised Code, the county shall be considered a separate precinct for purposes of recounting such absentee ballots.
So, no, the fact that a defeated candidate wants a recount, does not mean they automatically get one.
Presuming that a recount does happen, here are the criteria (somebody learned from Florida):
At the time and place fixed for making a recount, the board of elections, in the presence of all witnesses who may be in attendance, shall open the sealed containers containing the ballots to be recounted, and shall recount them. If a county used punch card ballots and if a chad is attached to a punch card ballot by three or four corners, the voter shall be deemed by the board not to have recorded a candidate, question, or issue choice at the particular position on the ballot, and a vote shall not be counted at that particular position on the ballot in the recount. Ballots shall be handled only by the members of the board or by the director or other employees of the board. Witnesses shall be permitted to see the ballots, but they shall not be permitted to touch them, and the board shall not permit the counting or tabulation of votes shown on the ballots for any nomination, or for election to any office or position, or upon any question or issue, other than the votes shown on such ballots for the nomination, election, question, or issue concerning which a recount of ballots was applied for.
In English - NO FISHING.
So, what if Kerry wins in a few counties and gets a lead in Ohio from recounts?
§ 3515.06 Application for recount in precincts not recounted
If, pursuant to section 3515.04 of the Revised Code, a person was declared nominated as a candidate for election to an office or elected to an office or position in an election and if it subsequently appears by the amended declaration of the results of such election made following a recount of votes cast in such election that such person was not so nominated or elected, such person may, within five days after the date of such amended declaration of the results of such election, file an application with the board of elections for a recount of the votes cast at such election for such nomination or election in any precinct, the ballots of which have not been recounted.
If, following a recount of votes cast in an election upon any question or issue, the amended declaration of the results of such election shows the result of such election to be contrary to the result thereof as declared in the original declaration of the results thereof, any group of five or more qualified electors which has filed a statement with the board as provided in the third paragraph of section 3515.03 of the Revised Code may, within five days after the date of the amended declaration, file an application with the board for a recount of the votes cast at such election upon such question or issue in any precinct of the county, the votes of which have not been recounted.
Sections 3515.01 and 3515.02 to 3515.05 of the Revised Code are applicable to any application provided for in this section and to the recount had pursuant thereto.
Or, again in English - If Kerry wins by cherry-picking some counties, Bush can still get the rest of the state recounted.
Kerry lost, and he knows it. This is nothing but mischief by sore losers. What a surprise.
-- DJ Drummond
Actually, we need to go after the Libertarians. Make them pay.
All, I am sorry, I posted a message just like this moments after this one. I did not believe the first post took. Moderator, you can delete on of the two posts. Please accept my apology. My bad.
Ken Blackwell is probably the most impressive SofS in the country. He'll be fine.
Ken Blackwell is an intelligent man...he doesn't need your nonsense on top over everything else.
First the governor's mansion in '06 then onto the WhiteHouse '16?
Nice...thanks
Not to worry..all is well.
You did not post to the moderator..You posted to yourself..
No truer words have ever been spoken.
Did you take the time to understand that any candidate can ask for a recount if they pay for it?
I do understand that...I also understand that a recount does not have to be granted. Why should it be in this case..it's obvious what the intentions are. Why don't the greens ask for a recount in PA, MI, WI?
Looks like Soros is funding them pretty well.
Boycott Libertarian-oriented publications such as Liberty, Reason and Critical Review and call your Congressmen to refuse Cato Institute material and to blacklist fellows and associates from testifying before committees.
Then let's see the mighty Libertarians after that.
Why do you have two threads on the same issue? What are you up too?
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