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Kerry Strategists: Clintonistas Torpedoed Our Campaign
NewsMax.com ^ | Nov. 12, 2004 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 11/12/2004 10:06:13 AM PST by Carl/NewsMax

Top strategists with John Kerry's presidential campaign are blaming his crushing defeat last week on bad advice from Clinton operatives who took over the campaign after Labor Day.

"When [James] Carville and [Stan] Greenberg tell reporters that the campaign was missing a defining narrative, they forget that they were the ones insisting we had to keep beating the domestic-issues drum," complained David Thorne on Thursday.

Thorne - a brother-in-law from Kerry's first marriage to Julia Thorne - was one of Kerry's closest advisors throughout the campaign.

Thorne told political gadfly Arianna Huffington that because of the misguided Carville-Greenberg strategy, "We never defended John's character and focused on his leadership with the same singularity of purpose that the Republicans put on George Bush's leadership."

Kerry's brother Cameron agreed, telling Huffington, "There is a very strong John Kerry narrative that is about leadership, character and trust. But it was never made central to the campaign."

Tom Vallely, the Vietnam War veteran whom Kerry tapped to lead the response to the Swift boat attacks, told the columnist: "The Clinton team, though technically skillful, could not see reality — they could only see their version of reality. And that was always about pivoting to domestic issues."

Reports Huffington:

"In conversations with Kerry insiders over the last nine months, I’ve heard a recurring theme: that it was [Bob] Shrum and the Clintonistas [including Greenberg, Carville and senior advisor Joe Lockhart] who dominated the campaign in the last two months and who were convinced that this election was going to be won on domestic issues, like jobs and healthcare, and not on national security."

The failed strategy apparently originated with ex-President Clinton himself, who trumpeted the domestic issues mantra in repeated calls to Kerry.

Writes Huffington:

"Behind the scenes, former President Clinton also kept up the drumbeat, telling Kerry in private conversations right to the end that he should focus on the economy rather than Iraq or the war on terror, and that he should come out in favor of all 11 state constitutional amendments banning gay marriage — a move that would have been a political disaster for a candidate who had already been painted as an unprincipled flip-flopper."


TOPICS: Front Page News
KEYWORDS: betrayal; cameronkerry; clinton; clintoncabal; clintonthankyou; cluelessleftists; davidthorne; democrats; disloyalty; ichabodcraneatyale; kerry; kerrydefeat; lurchgate; sabotage; tomvallely
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To: Carl/NewsMax
So is Shrum now O for 7? or is it 0 for 8? And how many candidates did Clinton "help" who failed hideously at the polls?
101 posted on 11/12/2004 3:12:16 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
Memo to kerry kampain: YOU HAD A BAD CANDIDATE.

Blame the obvious.

102 posted on 11/12/2004 3:14:50 PM PST by mombonn ( ¡Viva Bush/Cheney! Dukakis and Kerry are the matching bookends of the Bush era.)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

May Kerry and Hillary have a full death cage match on pay per view.


103 posted on 11/12/2004 3:16:51 PM PST by doug from upland (Vietnam Vets: FINALLY -- welcome home, heroes)
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To: DaiHuy
Paving the way for Hillary? No they couldn't have been so disloyal to Kerry....could they?

/sarcasm off

104 posted on 11/12/2004 3:21:49 PM PST by defenderSD (Suddenly the raven on Scalia's shoulder stirred and spoke. Quoth the raven..."NeverGore")
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To: Interesting Times

"There is a very strong John Kerry narrative that is about leadership, character and trust. But it was never made central to the campaign."

You've got to be kidding! What color was the Kool-Aid.


105 posted on 11/12/2004 3:22:23 PM PST by Lets Roll NOW
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To: Lets Roll NOW

"We never defended John's character and focused on his leadership with the same singularity of purpose that the Republicans put on George Bush's leadership."

JOHN KERRY HAS NO CHARACTER OR LEADERSHIP YOU DUMB A$$ES!


106 posted on 11/12/2004 3:56:50 PM PST by Fireone (Homeland security is 10,000 rounds of ammo and 10 cords of dry firewood.)
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To: HenryLeeII

Iam so glad you asked that question--I was just going to.

I wasn't sure if it was the same person -- I prayed it wasn't because I always liked him. Then the other day, when he came on Fox I heard him thank the host when the host said;"welcome back". I thought OH NO he ways with Kerry and is now back after the failed Kerry election.

Then a few days later I heard another host mention that he had had a son die in boot camp or training or something.

Does anyone know anything about that?


107 posted on 11/12/2004 4:39:42 PM PST by Txsleuth (Proud to be a Texan)
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To: 2ndreconmarine

The old media are useful as a funhouse mirror. Much of the information on FR comes from the old media. The function of FR is to sift through the spin and present the information in a useful context.


108 posted on 11/12/2004 4:45:20 PM PST by Richard Kimball (Four more years)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

I'm shocked.


109 posted on 11/12/2004 4:47:38 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: FreepGroupie
That's what he gets for crawling into bed with that scumbag.

I have a feeling it was the other way around - - that scumbag crawled into bed with Kerry.

110 posted on 11/12/2004 4:49:07 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Carl/NewsMax
The biggest problem in Kerry's campaign was
1. The candidate.
2. His "I'm a war hero" complex.
3. The economy campaign. He talked about health care all the time. He should have attacked Bush's spending, defecits, and outsourcing. That's the weak areas.
111 posted on 11/12/2004 4:53:08 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("No time for losers, cause we are the champions...of the world!!!")
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To: mlbford2
It amazes me that K got as many votes as he did.

That's what worries me about this country. The Dem did get out their vote. They just didn't imagine the Rep would get out theirs. But they didn't vote FOR sKerry. They voted against Bush. Lieberman they might have voted FOR. sKerry just wasn't liked. And this nimrod, this ABB, this generic entity with a 'plan' he could never explain, got 48% of the popular vote and came within whatever the provisional ballots determine in OH of even winning the Presidency.

112 posted on 11/12/2004 5:06:23 PM PST by sevry
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To: Carl/NewsMax

One of the Kerry flunkies, Joe Trippi, is on Hardball tonight encouraging the conspiracy theory wackos to think the election was fixed. Blame Clinton AND blame Bush!


113 posted on 11/12/2004 5:07:38 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: Dan from Michigan

Talking about Iraq was a waste. The moonbat, social-fascist wing of the Left were going to vote for him on that issue anyway. Had Kerry focused on economic issues he might have pulled some votes, but it is doubtful considering so many (according to polls) had already made up their minds a month before the election.

What the Dems need to worry about is the possibility they maxed out their support. The stupid vote did come out in droves for Kerry, as evidenced by the human debris parading their unresolved mental health issues on the web and elsewhere. These are not people playing with a full deck, and probably are transient in their ardour.

Kerry had every reason to win this election, however we prevented such by our massive turnout. There was nothing Clinton could do positive or negative for Kerry. 55 million usually wins elections, but we got 60 and ... there you go.


114 posted on 11/12/2004 5:09:57 PM PST by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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To: Graymatter

Joe Trippi is the genius who made Howard Dean believe he was a serious candidate for President.

I encourage the moonbats to keep their line of reasoning up.


115 posted on 11/12/2004 5:11:32 PM PST by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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To: soccer_linux_mozilla

Just the mere mention of her running should insure 60+ Senate seat in 2006...I can't wait...bring on the total destruction of the donkey party....


116 posted on 11/12/2004 5:16:56 PM PST by databoss (WMD's, Syria and North Korea...)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

ROTFLMAO!! Oh the comparison of these pictures is too much.


117 posted on 11/12/2004 5:29:38 PM PST by AIC
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To: Carl/NewsMax
I doubt if the Clintonistas really deliberately torpedoed the campaign, but they certainly didn't help, which may have been all that was required. I think the biggest problem was the failure of the MSM to get a decent scandal going after Abu Ghraib. A campaign so dependent on "hate Bush" had to be fueled by a steady stream of scandals by fair means or mostly foul. But CBS got caught in Rathergate and the DNC blew their cover by following up the very next day with a slick TV ad on the same subject. ABC got caught with the Halperin memo. By the time the phony missing ammo thing rolled around the only real question was who was going to debunk it first.

When the media are the news, the candidate fades into the background. And when the guy next to him onstage hogs the spotlight, the same thing happens, and it's too late for recovery.

118 posted on 11/12/2004 5:29:48 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: lavrenti
but we got 60 and ... there you go.

Something happened in the last three weeks(At least my county - and I suspect nationwide). I wish I could put my finger on what it was. I saw Bush signs go up literally overnight on my dad's street. These were people I didn't know were republican.

When I saw that, I wasn't too worried about our side voting. Anyone who puts a sign up is voting.

119 posted on 11/12/2004 5:30:23 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("No time for losers, cause we are the champions...of the world!!!")
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To: Dan from Michigan
That came out of nowhere. It was national and I don't know exactly what efforts pushed our side to that level of enthusiasm.
120 posted on 11/12/2004 5:35:38 PM PST by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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