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Gonzales Wrong for Attorney General; Why Won't Bush pick a Pro-Life Nominee? American Life League.
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Posted on 11/12/2004 9:07:10 AM PST by cpforlife.org

To: National Desk

Contact: Amber Matchen of the American Life League, 540-903-9572 or amatchen@all.org

WASHINGTON, Nov. 11 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Judie Brown, president of American Life League, issued the following statement in response to news that White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales is being considered as the replacement for U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft:

"President Bush appears to be doing all that he can to downright ignore pro-life principles. There can be no other explanation for his recommendation of Alberto Gonzales as attorney general. Gonzales has a record, and that record is crystal clear.

"As a Texas Supreme Court justice, Gonzales' rulings implied he does not view abortion as a heinous crime. Choosing not to rule against abortion, in any situation, is the epitome of denying justice for an entire segment of the American population -- preborn babies in the womb.

"When asked if his own personal feelings about abortion would play a role in his decisions, Gonzales told the Los Angeles Times in 2001 that his 'own personal feelings about abortion don't matter... The question is, what is the law, what is the precedent, what is binding in rendering your decision. Sometimes, interpreting a statute, you may have to uphold a statute that you may find personally offensive. But as a judge, that's your job.' Gonzales' position is clear: the personhood of the preborn human being is secondary to technical points of law, and that is a deadly perspective for anyone to take.

"President Bush claims he wants to assist in bringing about a culture of life. Such a culture begins with total protection for every innocent human being from the moment that person's life begins. Within the short period of one week, the president has been silent on pro-abortion Sen. Arlen Specter's desire to chair the senate judiciary committee, and has spoken out in favor of a judge with a pro-abortion track record to lead the Justice Department.

"Why is President Bush betraying the babies? Justice begins with protecting the most vulnerable in our midst. Please, Mr. President -- just say no to the unjust views of Alberto Gonzales."

http://www.usnewswire.com/

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: all; bush43; doj; gonzales; prolife; term2
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Yes I can. The Constitution specifically has an equal protection clause. It has no such clause guaranteeing the "right" to abortion.

Again, maybe you should read the document. Article VI specifically says "This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."
441 posted on 11/12/2004 6:11:49 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: cpforlife.org

I thought National Security was the most important issue. It is for the President, he has never said anything to the contrary. Who cares if the AG is pro or choice . WHO CARES?


442 posted on 11/12/2004 6:20:56 PM PST by Hildy (The really great men are always simple and true)
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To: tame; Poohbah
They don't?!?

No, they don't. The Constitution is a framework for government. It does not define what the law must say. Rather, it assumes the existence of the English Common Law.

then a state can have the right to permit murder

When was Lynching made illegal? Duels? Abortion? Before that, were these not therefore legal?

by YOUR interpretation of the Constitution, it is perfectly constitutionally permissable for you to murder your children, so long as you could get the state legislature to write laws allowing it.

Such as the Roman Law of Paterfamilias? You are projecting a Christian understanding of Natural Law onto a document written in religiously neutral terms. The illictness of murdering children comes from the Common Law understanding of a Christian English people, not from some phrase in the Constitution. Cart before the horse again.

HE does not believe what YOU believe.

Yes he does. He believes the issue of abortion is not addressed in the constitution, and it is up to the people's representatives in the Legislatures to craft laws on the topic.

"From the beginning of the Republic until that day, January 22, 1973, the moral question of what abortions shoudl be legal had been left entirely to state legislatures." (Tempting, p. 112)

He certainly does NOT believe that abortion is outlawed by the due process clause of the 14th Amendment. That is precisely the sort of judicial lawmaking that he is so opposed to.

443 posted on 11/12/2004 6:21:38 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: cpforlife.org
I would have much prefered a pro-life AG, though if there is only one case to glean Gonzalez opinion on that issue, that case doesn't clearly define him as pro-choice either.

In any event, this does not upset me as much as it would were Gonzalez appointed to the Supreme Court or if Arlen Specter becomes head of the judiciary.

I think the battle over Specter is far more crucial to a whole host of issues, the most important of which is pro-life, and I would not suggest we waste any time, energy, or resources opposing the Gonzalez appointment.

444 posted on 11/12/2004 6:22:27 PM PST by TAdams8591 (BORK SPECTER!!!)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
1. I cannot think of the case name (will research it) but cases have kicked arrests of illegal immigrants based on Fourth Amendment grounds. Thus, they are covered by the constitution.

2. One may be subject to the jurisdiction of a state without being a citizen. Ask the 25-30% of illegals in California prison if they are not subject to the jurisdiction of California law.
445 posted on 11/12/2004 6:32:36 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: JeffAtlanta
How powerful was the GOP before Reagan brought the Judeo-Christian Right (I refuse to run from that label as is it is something shameful) into the Republican coalition?
446 posted on 11/12/2004 6:34:38 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: cpforlife.org

When will it occur to good and decent pro-life people that the right of a woman to be secure in her person is violated by a rapist and the spawn that may be created by that involuntary act, and that the right of a person to be secure in her person from an unreasonable seizure is guaranteed by the Constitution? When talking about the right of an unborn person to life, we must take into account the rights of the mother to be free from having to tolerate the seizure of her person by another person. She must be allowed to end the seizure, if she wants to, but the baby must be allowed to live, if it can. Governmentally protectable life begins at the point of independence from the body of another soveriegn person.


447 posted on 11/12/2004 7:25:46 PM PST by H.Akston (It's all about property rights)
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To: radicalamericannationalist

There is no "right" to own a house in the Constitution, there is no right to attend a movie in the Constitution, there is no right to eat Big Macs in the Constitution.

The Constitution is not an enumeration of our rights!

Go back to FR Civics 101.

I don't believe that there is a right to have an abortion, but your argument is flawed in the fact that our rights are not just the ones that are listed in the Constitution.


448 posted on 11/12/2004 7:29:27 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: H.Akston

The "spawn" of a rapist is an independent being with its own genetic signature. Western society long ago discarded the notion that the sin of the father passes to the child.

While your rights argument does have merit in the case of a pregnancy that threatens a mother's life, inconvenience cannot be considered grounds for murder.


449 posted on 11/12/2004 7:30:37 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: Dec31,1999

just watch what they do, no what they say

That was the line of the unpopular John Newton Mitchell, who died on a NY sidewalk of a heart attack the day after the election of the first George Bush, as I recall. Of course, the GOP will ignore conservatives in favor of "broadening our base" after it has safely corraled their votes for the latest election.


450 posted on 11/12/2004 7:31:56 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: deport

Plain English please.


451 posted on 11/12/2004 7:33:00 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Perhaps my wording was inartful. I should have said that any theoretical right to abortion cannot be grounded in the Constitution.
452 posted on 11/12/2004 7:33:44 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: Theodore R.

What is not conservative about a Judge rendering a decision based on what the law says rather than what he feels the law should say?


453 posted on 11/12/2004 7:34:16 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Is there as much evidence now that
Albert Gonzales would uphold abortion were he on the Supreme Court (and he may be yet) as there was in 1990, when the first George Bush nominated the ultraliberal David Souter?


454 posted on 11/12/2004 7:35:28 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Luis Gonzalez; deport; cpforlife.org

Priscill Owen objected to Gonzales, so are you going to say that she was wrong for supporting the law when Bush appoints her to SCOTUS?

Obviously, if you think Gonzales is right than Owen must be wrong.


455 posted on 11/12/2004 7:35:46 PM PST by Coleus (Abortion and Euthanasia, Don't Democrats just kill ya!)
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To: radicalamericannationalist

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38ae1fc86628.htm

Check out the illegitimate source of the FEDERAL "equal protection" dogma in this country - the squalid 14th Amendment.


456 posted on 11/12/2004 7:38:19 PM PST by H.Akston (It's all about property rights)
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To: radicalamericannationalist

It doesn't have to be.

Abortion is a State's issue.

Had the Feds stayed out of the abortion argument, we would see the issue decided on a State by State basis by the people who painted the map red this past November 2 and passed every single marriage amendment on the ballots.

The trick is to get this issue out of the Feds hands, and back to our hands.

Then, we need Legislators who write just law, and Judges who uphold the laws as written by the legislatures.


457 posted on 11/12/2004 7:38:36 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Okay. I have no argument with that.

Though I do argue for a human life amendment. Just as slavery was too great an evil to be left to the states, I believe that the rights of unborn children should be constitutionalized.
458 posted on 11/12/2004 7:40:43 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: Theodore R.

There is an overwhelming amount of evidence that Alberto Gonzales will uphold the law as it is written.

What we have now are Judges who will seek to overturn any laws banning abortions based on their feeling on the subject, that's called legislating from the bench.

If we have Judges who acknowledge that their jobs consist of interpreting laws as written, not as they believe they should be written, then we've won a major victory.

The problem everyone has with the decisions being discussed, is that Gonzales opined within the scope of an ambiguous law and reached a verdict that most of us do not approve of.

That's the law's fault, not the Judge's fault.


459 posted on 11/12/2004 7:43:32 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Coleus

Obviously, if you think Gonzales is right than Owen must be wrong.



So did 6 of the 9 Justices on the Court that had to make the decision in this particular case......


460 posted on 11/12/2004 7:44:00 PM PST by deport (I've done a lot things.... seen a lot of things..... Most of which I don't remember.)
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