Vassil Tupurkovski, leader of Democratic Alternative Party, suggested the name Upper Macedonia to replace Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia in an attempt to give Greece and Macedonia a path to improve relations. Photo by izbori.gov.mkPosted on 11/12/2004 7:42:22 AM PST by Destro
"Upper Macedonia" Suggested for State Name
Politics: 11 November 2004, Thursday.
The leader of Macedonia's Democratic Alternative Party Vassil Tupurkovski suggested the name Upper Macedonia to replace Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.
He was quoted saying by MPA news agency that his country should adopt a name that would contribute to the good cooperation between Greece and Macedonia.
Macedonia needs a partner in the face of Greece, Tupurkovski stated, on the small Balkan state's path toward the European Union.
He ruled out the direct role of the US in the conflict over Macedonia's official name, after Bush's administration officially recognised the country's constitutional name last week.
Vassil Tupurkovski, leader of Democratic Alternative Party, suggested the name Upper Macedonia to replace Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia in an attempt to give Greece and Macedonia a path to improve relations. Photo by izbori.gov.mk
Destro, what do you think would be a good name, preferably short and snappy so it fits on postage stamps?
What would satisfy Greece?
This has to be the most idiotic issue in global politics at this time.
no, it was suggested before. The using the adjective "upper" implies there is a lower when that is not the case at all.
Remember the "FYROM" is an artificial constuct. Which if you are posting to Destro you already know.
Uppa Myassadonia
How about "Outer Macedonia"? Worked for Mongolia!
How about Yugodonia?
I don't know about you, but at this point I prefer talk over blood. That region still remembers the communist incursion into Greece in 1945-51. (precipitating a USSR funded civil war)
Probably the "Republic of Skopje" would be a good name that would satisfy all?
new name for a new country, sounds very reasonable. It also breaks with the bloody communist/USSR past.
However, "reasonable" and "common sense" are in short supply in the former yougoslavian regions.
Present-day Greece encompasses most of the famous "Macedonia" or "Macedon" that was ruled by Philip and his more famous son, Alexander the Great.
"Thrace" or "Thracia" seems to have referred more to present-day Bulgaria, but that's a cooler name.
Who were the Macedonians ? (Background to todays conflict)
Nicholas Hammond's Interview
Mr. Dennis Grammenos (dgrammen@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu) was kind enough to provide the following interview of the widely known historian and clacissist.
Nicholas Hammond, the well-known historian, said the following in an interview with the magazine "Macedonian Echo" in February, 1993:
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(Q): Who were the Macedonians ?
(A): The name of the ancient Macedonians is derived from Macedon, who was the grandchild of Deukalion, the father of all Greeks. This we may infer from Hesiod's genealogy. It may be proven that Macedonians spoke Greek since Macedon, the ancestor of Macedonians, was a brother of Magnes, the ancestor of Thessalians, who spoke Greek.
(Q): Isn't it true that Demosthenes called them "barbarians" ?
(A): The speeches of Demosthenes, that deal with Philip as the enemy, should not be interpreted as an indication of the barbarian origins of Macedonians, but as an expression of conflict between two different political systems: the democratic system of the city-state (e.g.Athens) versus the monarchy (Kingdom of Macedonia).
Personally, I believe that it is the common language, which gives one the opportunity to share a common civilization. Thus the language is the main factor that forms a national identity.
(Q): What was the geographic location of the Macedonian Kingdom ?
(A): It should be emphasized that Macedonia occupied only the area of Pieria, as is characteristically mentioned by Hesiod and Thucydides. It had to wait until Philip II ascended to the throne and expanded his kingdom by occupying, among others, the Thracians and the PAEONIANS. The Paeonians were allowed to keep their customs, which was a sign of liberal policy of Philip after each conquest. From Homer we learn that the Paeonians had their own language and that they fought on the side of the Trojans. THEY LIVED IN THE AREA AROUND SKOPJE, and this is the reason I suggested to Patrick Leigh Fermor to suggest in his article in the Independent the name of "PAEONIA" AS THE MOST SUITABLE FOR SKOPJE.
(Q): Given your experience as a liaison officer in German occupied Macedonia, do you believe that there may be a Macedonian nation ?
(A): NO. Macedonia was under Ottoman occupation until the beginning of the 20th century. With the decline of the Ottoman empire, the Great Powers began to seek spheres of influence in the Balkans. The result was the emergence, during the latter part of the 19th century, of the Macedonian revolutionary movements.The Serbian IMRO, the Bulgarian VMRO and the Greek "Ethniki Etairia" were formed with the support of certain Great Powers with the goal of organizing revolutionary units in the area. After the Balkan wars, the Macedonia (the geographical region) was divided between Serbia, Greece and Bulgaria. The movement for the creation of a Slav-controlled Greated Macedonia continued until 1934, when the Yugoslav government declared IMRO illegal, as a good will gesture to Greece. Therefore, given the struggle of the three ethnic groups (Serbs, Greeks, Bulgarians) for the control of Macedonia AND THE ABSENCE OF ANY LOCAL NATIONAL MOVEMENT, we can talk of Maedonia only as a GEOGRAPHICAL ENTITY AND NOT as A NATION.
(Q): Tell us of your experience in Northern Greece during the German occupation.
(A): I fell with the parachute into Greece in 1943. Our goal was to cooperate as liaison officers with the Greek resistance against the Germans. Tito's plan was to found a Greater Macedonia, that would include Greek Macedonia and South Yugoslavia; in practice it would be under Russian control. In January 1944, Tito formed a government and declared a federal Yugoslavia that would be composed of six different republics, the southernmost of which would be called Macedonia. It is here that the name Macedonia appears at the forefront of a plan of a Greater Macedonia against Greece. The same year,Tito's guerillas invaded Greece three or four times and attempted to enlist men from slavophone villages in the area of Florina. Based on my knowledge, they were unsuccessful.
(Q): Could you please explain, who are these slavophones you refer to ?
(A): They are people who have been living in the area for centuries, perhaps from the time of the Slavic invasions of the 7th century. Nevertheless, they have been integrated with the population and consider themselves Greek.
At the time of the break-up of the Ottoman Empire, Skopje and the area around it was part of the Vilayet of Kosovo. So, in the interests of making Slavic hair stand on end, how about calling it Lower Kosova!
If it was called Kosovo - why call it by the Albanian curroption of Kosova?
Just to get a rise out of our Slavic FReepers!
Well I'm not a Slav.
how about leaving it as it is "Macedonia" as it has always has been.
I can't believe the amount of propaganda posted on that website by the anti-macedonian arab greeks, then again what else could you expect by people who aren't sure of what they are?
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