ohhh shit.
Posted on 11/10/2004 5:21:45 PM PST by quidnunc
The east London hall echoes to the sound of the speaker's voice: "They want us to redefine Islam to fit the agenda of the west," he intones, and the audience murmurs. "Islam is going to be political, no matter how hard they try. Islam itself is political. Allah has not remained silent when it comes to political matters."
The speaker is a member of Hizb ut Tahrir, the most controversial Islamic group in Britain today. Critics have called for the group to be banned, as it is in Germany, while supporters hail it as the saviour of the Muslim community. Hizb — the name means Party of Liberation in Arabic — is banned throughout the Middle East, and three British men are in jail in Egypt accused of propagating its views. In Uzbekistan, thousands of Hizb members are in jail, and a Russian thinktank has compared the group to al-Qaida.
Eighteen months ago, the group briefly appeared in the public eye when the wife of Omar Sharif, the Briton who launched a failed suicide-bomb attack in Tel Aviv, was found to have leaflets from the group in her home. Hizb ut Tahrir also has a presence on university campuses, where it has been accused of anti-semitism.
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1862 (I remember that from my Civil War report I did in 9th grade)
They truly are more political than anything resembling a religion. I don't see how they can claim any kind of religious protections in this country.
I think my son found some ground beef to fry up. Some vegetarian started a thread, so now everyone on the thread is talking about steak and making me hungry.
It is if one got it before 1999.
carnal adj.Relating to the physical and especially sexual appetites: carnal desire.
Worldly or earthly; temporal: the carnal world.
Of or relating to the body or flesh; bodily: carnal remains.
So, the terrorist is smart enough to understand what some others have yet failed to grasp. The reason why the President states that Islam is a peaceful religion, to liberalize the religion into one that doesn't promote the murder of "infidels".
Patel is dismissive: "I think it's a very disingenuous view. The Founding Fathers of America would probably have been called a conveyor belt for terrorists because they produced the intellectual ideas which led to the American people rising up against colonial rule."
Nice to know the Liberal talking points are interchangable from the terrorists.
ohhh shit.
like Islam...like Azteca.
"I'm glad they've defined Islam as political, can we consider them a military target?"
ABSOLUTELY!
Islam needs to understand: it can be moderate and tolerant, or it can be history.
I read recently that three nations (France, Spain, and the 3rd may have been Portugal, but I'm not certain) are likely to have Islamic majorities by 2020. The article said that Germany was well on its way to being the fourth, but at current immigration rates, wouldn't achieve it by 2020.
The west needs to drop the PC idea that Islam is a religion of peace, along with the idea that we have to be "fair" toward all immigrants. We in the U.S. need to recognize that the Constitution doesn't apply to immigrants trying to enter the U.S.; we are free to accept or reject whoever we choose.
Reject everyone from Arab and Islamic nations except those who 1) benefit the U.S. in some way, and 2) who can pass the most stringent security checks. Any aliens already here who don't fall into the same categories should have 30 days to return to their 'homelands'.
Racist? Yeah, maybe, but still in our best interest, and I didn't see too many Brazilian, Swedish, Australian, or Korean names on the list of 9-11 hijackers, or on the lists of guilty parties from ANY of the terrorist attacks in the past 5 years!
Of or relating to the body or flesh; bodily: carnal remains
MEAT!
ISLAM NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND - IT'S ALREADY OVER!!
We don't mind Islam so long as it stays in the Middle East. You don't see us nose diving jets into Mecca in the name of Christianity. Some of you terrorists need to know your commanders are really power freaks getting rich on your backs and hijacking Islam in the process.
"I believe that the historical collective memory and guilt of the crimes of the Nazi holocaust as perpetrated by white europeans on a defenseless subculture in the name of state security will be the West's Achilles' heal that will be exploited by the left to facilitate islamization of the West and shame the soon to be occupied western nations into eventual social/cultural/political submission. And yes, Islam does mean submission."
RELAX, WE ARE NOT GOING TO LET THAT HAPPEN!
That is why John Freaking sKerry didn't get his bite of the Apple. If we defeated the Nazis and the Japs, nations with long martial histories, nations with noble warriors dragooned into evil wars, we can defeat the 21st century LOSERS of Islamic Jihad. People whose last victory was when? 1700-something? So-called men who show their "valor" by killing women and children and old men? So-called men who send children and women to kill FOR them, whilst they sit in the coffee houses and remember the good old days of 1491? Saladin himself would cut their cowardly heads off, should he be disgraced to see these warriors today.
The Euros are going to catch on, the Dutch for example are getting a clue. And I wouldn't want to be a Muslim in Europe when the tide turns there.
These [insert tremendously political incorrect explatives here] are not going to defeat Western Civilization. Ain't gonna happen.
One of the 5 pillars of Islam is that Muslims must make a pilgrimage to Mecca.
A phrase for this is called "Kiss the Rock." What is housed in this thing is a meteor. If you get to kiss it, you increase your stance in God's Book of relevance in heaven.
I am not making this up.
"From within."
What the West needs to recognize is that Islam now and has
always wanted you dead, me dead, our kids dead, our grandchildren dead. DEAD DEAD DEAD. Do you understand this, Western world?
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