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"Beslan" USA Are Plans in Place if Schools Attacked
Birmingham News ^ | November 07, 2004 | Joseph C. Myers

Posted on 11/10/2004 3:14:44 PM PST by Barbarian6

It's about 8:42 in the morning, and you have just sat down at your desk with a cup of hot coffee. As the sheriff of this small rural community, you are reviewing the overnight reports from your graveyard shift deputies. It was, as usual, a relatively uneventful night.

Unbeknownst to you as you read your reports, only about five minutes before, a nondescript car with tinted windows along with two minivans just rolled into the parking lot of your local county elementary school. They stop near the school's main office, parking along the curb.....

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: beslan; massacre; police; school; sheriff; student; terror
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To: TaxRelief
We know every car that doesn't belong on our long, windy country road...

And so do all the neighbors. ;-D

21 posted on 11/10/2004 4:30:09 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Judith Anne

In the suburbs, I'm picturing the Moms in their Suburbans driving straight through the front door...


22 posted on 11/10/2004 4:30:30 PM PST by TaxRelief
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To: TaxRelief
Did you hear the liberals claiming they lost because we are all under-educated? LOL.

Well said.

23 posted on 11/10/2004 4:32:14 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Barbarian6

Let's ask the good folks at Columbine what the plans were.


24 posted on 11/10/2004 4:33:45 PM PST by Wolfie
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To: Archangelsk
...but I have seen what happens when a mob takes over and the adrenaline starts pumping.

I'm pretty sure that was either (a) Beauty and the Beast or (b)Frankenstein.



(wink)

25 posted on 11/10/2004 4:34:36 PM PST by TaxRelief
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To: Archangelsk
An undisciplined mob will end up shooting themselves before hitting a terrorist

That is why the Second Amendment refers to a well-regulated militia. We don't have undisciplined mobs for the most part. There might be a few accidents, but there is quite a bit of training and discipline among the citizens.

26 posted on 11/10/2004 4:34:52 PM PST by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: Wolfie
Exactly. How did the parents deal with Columbine?

How did the POLICE deal with it?

27 posted on 11/10/2004 4:46:55 PM PST by txhurl
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To: tracer
However, if John Q. Citizen were to try to intervene with a 9 mm pistol or a shotgun, he'd be shot down like a dog by the "well-disciplined" SWAT teams........

Thanks, that's valid, and into my model it goes.

28 posted on 11/10/2004 4:49:13 PM PST by txhurl
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To: Archangelsk
No, but I have seen what happens when a mob takes over and the adrenaline starts pumping

In this kind of situation (no drunken celebrating mob), the more information the citizens have, the better the outcome will be. If the emergency managers and first responders keep too tight of control on information (as incident command system seems designed to do), that's the kind of thing that will cause mob behavior. In the NY blackout in the 60's (?) when there was no widespread means of sharing information, there was rioting. In the big northeast blackout a year or so ago, there was none. Why? Because those in the midst of it got enough information through cell-phones, battery powered radios, etc to know what was going on and there was no need to panic.

29 posted on 11/10/2004 4:51:33 PM PST by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: tracer
tracer
I afraid you've hit it on the head. I've seen the "pretty boy-water waking types" grab some fool and run off so they can spend the rest of the day standing around at the jail waiting to book a prisoner.
30 posted on 11/10/2004 4:59:55 PM PST by investigateworld (( .... Father Watch over our servicemen, for their task is righteous and the danger is great....))
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To: Barbarian6

I have been thinking about this a good deal recently. Last week there was a news report of a white van with Ohio license plates taking video pictures of two schools in Jefferson City, MO. (Happens to be the capital of a Bush state.) The truth is that I'm not sure how a community would hold up to terrorist demands when their children and grandchildren are at stake. I know in my head how I would act; it's my heart I worry about.


31 posted on 11/10/2004 6:08:09 PM PST by Another Thought
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To: Judith Anne
JA, I think you're missing the point. ORGANIZING a counter-assault against an enemy that is homicidal, suicidal, fortified, disciplined and willing to kill small children is going to be almost impossible.

That doesn't mean it can't be done, but the reality of an actual situation like Beslan is FAR different from Sunday afternoon at the range.

There are exceptions, but when armed parents start showing up in the parking lot of most schools, including in rural areas, the cops are likely to try to stop them.

If the tangos shoot a child or teacher in the head in front of a window for the whole world to see (which they will do) the situation will change again, for the worse.

Unless you are on-scene and armed when the jihadists show up (the best time to counterattack is immediately after an attack), the idea that you and your neighbors will be dropping bad guys with your AR-15's, while heroic, is very unrealistic.

BTW, I live in a rural area, own many weapons, am ex-military (infantry) and I don't read fiction.
32 posted on 11/10/2004 9:25:36 PM PST by Rocky Mountain High
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To: Viking2002
There would be a noose, a cordon of citizens, in the thousands, armed with all kinds of weapons, around ANY of these American rural schools.

There would be no way the islamofascist terrorists inside would make it out of there alive. In fact, the citizens would so outnumber the police, and in their anger, were the terrorists to be apprehended by police, they would be seized forceably on the spot from the police, and probably lynched right there, citizens firing round after round into their hanging bodies. That is what would happen in Red State, Fly Over America.

33 posted on 11/10/2004 9:34:27 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Troops! Repudiation of Senator Specter is our remaining "Electoral Vote" outstanding.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Until teachers are allowed to carry concealed absolutely nothing can prevent a Beslan from happening here.

Reacting after the fact, once the terrorists have installed themselves in a school, is do we kill them now, and watch kids die, or let them kill some kids before we storm them.

Teachers, properly trained, and armed at the time of the school invasion is the only hope for a situation like this to be stopped before it really starts.


34 posted on 11/10/2004 10:46:17 PM PST by Stopislamnow (Marching out of step with the mindless horde.)
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To: Stopislamnow

Of course you're right, but most K-5 teachers would refuse to even touch a firearm, much less be trained and keep one handy in the classroom.

The only alternative to that is multiple armed security guards patrolling during school hours.

Try getting that funded prior to some hideous massacre occuring here.


35 posted on 11/10/2004 11:10:35 PM PST by oprahstheantichrist
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Making it out alive won't be their concern.


36 posted on 11/11/2004 6:09:28 AM PST by Rocky Mountain High
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To: Prime Choice

There's a federal law against possession of firearms in schools. What armed Americans?


37 posted on 11/11/2004 6:11:40 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Stopislamnow
Reacting after the fact, once the terrorists have installed themselves in a school, is do we kill them now, and watch kids die, or let them kill some kids before we storm them.

Once the terrorists gain control, the kids are as good as dead. Therefore each one saved is a victory. Every law enforcement agency in the US needs a contingency plan for just that scenario.

Preemptive action is the only acceptable alternative. Track down and imprison or deport all non-citizen Muslims and close the borders, NOW!

38 posted on 11/11/2004 6:32:06 AM PST by JimRed (Investigate, overturn and prosecute vote fraud; turn more counties red!)
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To: mvpel
You are correct; the 1996 Kohl amendment to yet another unrelated omnibus bill reinstated the prohibition and it appears to still be in effect. NRA-ILA discusssion. GOA discussion.

So it appears to me that if any ordinary citizen does show up with a loaded rifle at a school seized by terrorists, he will be committing a federal felony. That law certainly won't stop terrorists intent on a second Beslan, but it would mean that any armed citizen would, as I read it, ironically face arrest themselves.

If any freepers with more knowledge about the legal situation have any input, it might be interesting to hear more about this.

39 posted on 11/11/2004 6:36:56 AM PST by snowsislander
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To: Rocky Mountain High

Thank you for your interest in my part of the discussion here. I'm not going to put any more information on the internet, but your concerns have been addressed in my county.


40 posted on 11/11/2004 2:04:46 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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