Posted on 11/10/2004 7:32:36 AM PST by TaxRelief
[Summary: A warrant for arrest has been issued for, Wesley Mincey, an eighteen-year-old freshman at NCSC. The warrant was issued following a call to police from his roommate, who had borrowed Mincey's computer. While using the computer, the roommate discovered that Mincey had downloaded child pornography.]
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Not so, although I wish it were true. If it were true, there would be no such thing as child pornography.
Exactly. It's amazing that in the home of "innocent until proven guilty," the mob is so willing to ruin someone's life on the basis of media reports. Given the fact that the media almost universally gets things wrong, the tendency to ruin this guy's life on the strength of this report is outrageous.
If the kid is guilty, and is proven so in a court of law, then I will be at the front of the line looking for just punishment. However, until then, people need to observe with an open mind and a closed mouth.
Regardless of whether it is equally likely, a child has much less of a chance of defending theirself from this. A teen may consent, but a child could be manipulated much easier. Rape, no matter what is evil, but more so when it is a defenseless child.
Shouldn't that be, "... people that view pay for child pornography sponsor ..."?
I don't understand how "viewing" aids the victimizers. The illegal acts have already been done, maybe years before.
When I said "all of us", I meant all of us FReepers.
Not only could the roommate have set the kid up, but the child pornography could be pictures of the the eighteen year old's younger girlfriend. There just aren't enough facts, at least in the excerpt.
Yet we do nothing about it. Yet you say nothing about it.
No it is not more likely. Not even close to being more likely.
Predators that prtey on children are the worst of the worst. Even criminals in prison have more of a grasp on that than you do.
That's why those that rape and murder children are much more likely not to make it out of prison alive.
Prisoners hate rapists but they hate child rapists a hundred times more.
I agree. Especially in cases like this where just the accusation brings ruin to the life of the accused.
Again, teens are more likely to be able to defend theirselves. At least they have a better chance than a child does.
Thinking back to my college days, several of my fellow students in Brooklyn were ripe for evangelizing. In their hearts they wanted do the right thing, but their moral/theological education was lacking.
Fortunately, I attended a college that drew heavily from an orthodox Jewish community and an Italian-Catholic immigrant community (Plenty of reinforcements, if you will). The rest of the students were Korean, Vietnamese and Chinese immigrants and/or children of UN diplomats and UN employees.
The Asian students seemed to desperately seek out Western Evangelism and were rarely moral threats.
The Diplomats' kids, on the other hand, were a nightmare: They were, for the most part, spoiled, amoral cheaters. Many were a lost cause; but over the course of two to five years within our "micro-melting pot", after multiple group labs and group projects, many of these kids adapted to the Western value system that is rooted in the ten commandments.
(On an aside, the Muslim kids were least likely to earn our trust--they were already too grounded in their alter-values.)
So, I hold out hope that it is not too late, for some kids in their late teens, at least in terms of cheating on tests.
I think you have just told us quite a bit about yourself.
Theft is an act: something committed outside of the brain; something that violates another's personal property rights.
There is no argument that the creators of child-pornography are committing a terrible crime and should be locked up; ratted out instantly; and maybe even flogged daily in the public square.
Even purchasers of stolen goods or child pornography are committing the crime of aiding-and-abetting, which it can be argued, is little different than committing the crime itself.
But despite the risk, and the nice offers from my friends to claim temporary insanity before I'm forever branded __________ (fill in the blank), it needs to be said that there is something wrong with a society that is ready to lynch anyone accused, not convicted of pedophilia.
Whatever happened to a fair trial, and the fourth amendment, and as I pointed out in an earlier post, Matthew 18:15-18?
Possession of child porn is a crime. Hello!!!
Calling the cops so that they can start an investigation when you have evidence that a crime has been committed is not a lynching.
If I was on a jury, I'd make the state prove that the stuff was there, and that he was the one who put it there before I'd convict.
Based upon your unwillingness to get the cops involved when there is evidence that someone committed a criminal act suggests that you are more interested in blocking justice than in pursuing justice when it comes to this subject.
Whatever happened to a fair trial, and the fourth amendment, and as I pointed out in an earlier post, Matthew 18:15-18?
OK, lets talk about theology for a moment.
Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
(Emphasis supplied).
1. Brother - means brother in Christ. (See commentaries by Henry or Barnes) We are not given enough information as to the spiritual condition of the two men to determine if these standards are even applicable. Certainly, a Christian can have a besetting or habitual sin, but this type of conduct should at least raise a question as to the perpetrator's spiritual state.
2. Sins against the - while exposing an innocent to images of this kind is certainly a sin against that person, and were both Christians would ordinarily give rise to the need to follow the Matthew 18 formula, the true victims of the wrongdoing are the minor children in the pictures. Thus, it is not the roommate's place to go to the owner of the computer. The issue therefore cannot be resolved between the two in a Matthew 18 process. It is therefore appropriate to involve the representatives of the victims (in this case the police) to resolve the issues.
3. Speaking of evidence, what evidence is there that the roommate didn't raise the issue before he called the cops? The story at the link is sketchy at best. If the roommate did ask the computer owner, and didn't get a satisfactory answer, then he did what he was supposed to do next under Mat 18:16 " But if he will not hear [thee, then] take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. " - He called the cops to investigate what happened, and give the computer owner a chance to explain.
And the Forth Amendment:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
1. Based on the story posted, where is your evidence that a warrant was not issued. 2. If the roommate voluntarily turned the computer over to the police while it was under his custody and control, there are no 4th amendment implications. 3. A roommate is capable of giving consent to the search of the dorm room. University officials are probably not capable of giving such consent. http://www.law2.byu.edu/jel/v2002_1/Christman.htm
Biblically, my understanding of this or any matter that involves wrong-doing in my community can be found in Matthew 18:15-18.
15"If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you.
You obviously don't have an understanding of what you posted.
1. Child pornography is not a "lesser crime within your neighborhood". We're not talking graffiti on a school wall.
2. Child pornography is not just "wrong-doing in [your] community". It goes above and beyond that.
3. The quote was "if your brother sins against you". In the case of child pornography, no "sin" has been committed against you. Instead, it's a crime committed against society at large.
I hope you will eventually see the difference.
Child pornography is not minor. For someone who posts Bible quotes, you should know the difference. For your information, child pornography IS a felony. You need to update your mental information.
We're already there:
SAN FRANCISCO (Nov. 8) - The son of Mercury astronaut Walter Schirra has been arrested on child sex tourism charges, federal authorities said Monday.
Walter Schirra, 54, was arrested at San Francisco International Airport on Saturday morning just before he was to board a flight to Thailand where he allegedly intended to solicit sex from underage boys, according to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
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