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Druggists refuse to give out pill
USA Today, via Yahoo ^ | Charisse Jones, USA TODAY

Posted on 11/09/2004 8:23:53 AM PST by Michael Goldsberry

Edited on 11/09/2004 8:39:31 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: robertpaulsen
If someone were causing physical harm to another person you might want to interfere. Other than that, I don't think I could make something like whether someone uses birth control or not any of my business. It doesn't meet the "global test" of being wrong (ha-ha). It's more of a religious/philosophical type of argument on which reasonable people can disagree whereas if someone is beating the crap out of a child, there is an immediate visceral reaction that is universal in people that this is an immoral act.
421 posted on 11/09/2004 12:14:34 PM PST by iheartusa (Searching the Internet far and wide to bring you thought-provoking controversy)
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To: flada

I hope there are no pharmacists who decide that my ulcer has a right to be in my stomach and that I can no longer take Prevacid.

Oh good grief! LOL!


422 posted on 11/09/2004 12:16:53 PM PST by iheartusa (Searching the Internet far and wide to bring you thought-provoking controversy)
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To: laredo44

Who else then?


423 posted on 11/09/2004 12:17:00 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: icu2

Many people here miss the point. This is a pharmacy not a hospital. It is a business, like a restaurant or department store. If he, as an independent business refuses to sell viagra as well as birth control, he is with in his rights. If there is a corporate policy regarding refusal to fill prescriptions that is a different story.

Getting a prescription by a doctor does not obligate an pharmacist to fill it.


424 posted on 11/09/2004 12:17:13 PM PST by Jaded ((Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - Mark Twain))
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To: Modernman; Protagoras
Well of course there are many examples.

But the question was specifically for Protagoras. You'll note that he couldn't answer it.

Look up Ayn Rand's "Objectivism" in the dictionary and there's a picture of Protagoras. This guy does not believe in imposing his will on anyone not affecting him personally and directly. How could he ever understand this pharmacist?

425 posted on 11/09/2004 12:20:28 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
I seem to recall where K-Mart was sued just because they sold ammunition to a guy who later killed someone.

Nonsense like that is what got the left voted out. If conservatives argue this pharmicist was right or to be admired for opposing birth control, they will not last long in power. The opinions expressed by several on this thread are part of the reason liberals are upset. I share that concern with them.

426 posted on 11/09/2004 12:20:42 PM PST by laredo44 (Liberty is not the problem)
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To: Jaded

Listen ...very carefully......I'll explain it again.

All she had to do was call her doctor.......(ya with me there?)......tell him what happened, and ask to have the prescription re-issued.

What part of that is difficult for you?


427 posted on 11/09/2004 12:21:36 PM PST by EggsAckley
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To: EggsAckley
Get over yourself, Oh great one. Here is the relevant paragraph.

In the Madison case, pharmacist Neil Noesen, 30, after refusing to refill a birth-control prescription, did not transfer it to another pharmacist or return it to the woman. She was able to get her prescription refilled two days later at the same pharmacy, but she missed a pill because of the delay.

So would you jump up and down and shriek if it were viagra?

428 posted on 11/09/2004 12:24:41 PM PST by Jaded ((Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - Mark Twain))
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To: robertpaulsen; Protagoras
Look up Ayn Rand's "Objectivism" in the dictionary and there's a picture of Protagoras. This guy does not believe in imposing his will on anyone not affecting him personally and directly. How could he ever understand this pharmacist?

I can't speak for Protagoras, but I have no problems understanding this guy. I think his theft of the script was immoral, though.

429 posted on 11/09/2004 12:24:58 PM PST by Modernman (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. - P.J.)
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To: robertpaulsen
I missed the question. Please ask it again.

And I don't believe in the nonsense that some people call objectivism, so you can put that nonsense where the sun don't shine.

And I understand the pharmacist. I just don't agree with the second part of his actions. I agree with the first, and have repeatedly said so.

430 posted on 11/09/2004 12:27:35 PM PST by Protagoras (A new day has dawned)
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To: Jaded
The ORIGINAL question on this thread was: was the druggist right in not giving her back the prescription?

Simple question. But unfortunately a whole bunch of zealous miscreants have chosen to transform the thread into some kind of Chautauqua Tent meeting.

431 posted on 11/09/2004 12:27:58 PM PST by EggsAckley
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To: Modernman; Bella_Bru
That's where analogies break down.

She had a prescription. I'm sure that explaining the situation to her doctor would have gotten her another. He probably could have phoned it in to another pharmacy that very same day.

Of course, she chose to make a capital case of the whole thing. There's tort money to be made here, after all!

Keeping a script and keeping a gun are miles apart. I'm surprised you made it an issue, Modernman.

432 posted on 11/09/2004 12:29:15 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Jaded
No, independent pharmacists should be able to stock whatever they want. This was not an independent pharmacist. This was a pharmacist working for a chain. Also, this pharmacist stole the prescription so that it would not be used elsewhere.

Before we go any further, let me assure you that I am probably much more anti regulation than even you are. And yes, I support the use of the birth control pill, and I don't consider taking the pill to be abortion.
433 posted on 11/09/2004 12:30:34 PM PST by mysterio
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To: Modernman
I can't speak for Protagoras,

It sure didn't keep the other guy from doing it. And then lying about me.

but I have no problems understanding this guy. I think his theft of the script was immoral, though.

Nor do I, and as a Christian, I think his theft was immoral as well. Not to mention illegal .

434 posted on 11/09/2004 12:32:04 PM PST by Protagoras (A new day has dawned)
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To: Sloth
"Uh, you're changing the subject. ... you must also consider the likelihood that one's act of stealing will actually prevent it -- in this case, nearly zero"

No, I'm not. The pharmacist doesn't need to consider whether his act will prevent the murder. He just has to know that he doesn't want to facilitate it in any way.

In that respect, it's just like the Hitler guard. His choice is to facilitate the murder or not to. Whether it will prevent it has no bearing on the decision.

435 posted on 11/09/2004 12:32:07 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: robertpaulsen
She had a prescription. I'm sure that explaining the situation to her doctor would have gotten her another. He probably could have phoned it in to another pharmacy that very same day.

That's not the point and you know it. Property is property. Just because it's not terribly inconvenient to replace a certain piece of property doesn't mean that others have the right to take it from you.

436 posted on 11/09/2004 12:32:22 PM PST by Modernman (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. - P.J.)
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To: Bella_Bru
"If they keep my gun, yes I'd sue them."

Fine. So would I. That's not the question.

Pay attention. Would you, personally, force that business to service your gun if they're against the killing of animals and you intend to use your gun for hunting?

Or would you simply respect their view and service your gun elsewhere?

437 posted on 11/09/2004 12:33:21 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
If you agree with the pharmacist for keeping the script because you believe that the possibility of an egg being released and fertilized (one of the hormones failing), then possibly not being implanted is a huge issue that must be looked at each and every waking second, why don't you just say so?

In a way, this being brought into court is a good thing. People found out about this and can decide with their wallets if they want to give the pharmacy in WI anymore business.

438 posted on 11/09/2004 12:35:31 PM PST by Bella_Bru (Proud member of La Kosher Nostra and the IZC)
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To: vikk

I was thinking the exact same thing!


439 posted on 11/09/2004 12:37:44 PM PST by SAMS
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To: DannyTN
Here's what you asked first:

If by stealing, you could prevent a murder. Would you?

When challenged, here's what you say now:

The pharmacist doesn't need to consider whether his act will prevent the murder... Whether it will prevent it has no bearing on the decision.

If preventing murder has no bearing on the decision, why did you ask a question conditioned directly on that issue? Remove the murder prevention and your first question becomes simply "would you steal?"

440 posted on 11/09/2004 12:38:43 PM PST by Sloth ("Rather is TV's real-life Ted Baxter, without Baxter's quiet dignity." -- Ann Coulter)
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