Posted on 11/09/2004 8:23:53 AM PST by Michael Goldsberry
Edited on 11/09/2004 8:39:31 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
You have taken leave of your senses.
One is him not being involved in something he personally doesn't believe in, one is theft. If you can't see that, you are obtuse.
I think you might do something, I, from my point of view, think is immoral, therfore I am within my rights to do whatever I feel I must to prevent you from doing it.
Bizarre
According to research, a distinct human being, with a human brain starts about the third trimester of gestation... That you don't want to recognize that, and like tyyour friend, insult instead of answering just show how bankrupt your position is...
I knew it beforehand, you just confirmed it!
The part about keeping the prescription was not part of the comment. That is a different question and a different answer.
Does this mean you believe the unfertilized egg is not alive?
Does this also mean you believe that the free swimming sperm is not alive?
Would the sterilization of either an unfertile egg or a free swimming sperm be murder?
'Original sin' is nonsense, IMO. But the fact remains that elective abortion ends a human life.
It also allows any liberal to take your ballot.
It also allows any Moslem (or Jew) to take your bacon.
ROTFL, what research?
Quickening is about 15 weeks. So that gets you the first trimester you are arguing for.
Tell Paulsen, he seems confused.
As they should. She paid for the prescription. His keeping it is theft.
How would you know he a was a liberal? People don't wear little buttons that describe their politics. You usually assume the guy at the gun repair shop is a conservative, but this woman also probably assumed that the pharmacist would fill her prescription.
and, 2) you tell them that your going to use that gun to commit a immoral act (murder, armed robbery, assault (threat), whatever).
Or you tell them that you're going to do something that you might not consider immoral, but they do. Such as hunting. Or using the firearm to protect your home from criminals. Or engage in (legal) concealed carry.
Not at all. They have a second amendment right, don't they? It's right there in the U.S. Constitution, isn't it?
And the right to BCPs was where in the U.S. Constitution?
Bad analogy. And you missed the point of my post completely.
From http://www.tnr.com/013100/easterbrook013100.html
From the twenty-second week to the twenty-fourth week, connections start to be established between the cortex and the thalamus, the part of the brain that translates thoughts into nervous-system commands. Fetal consciousness seems physically "impossible" before these connections form, says Fisk, of the Imperial College School of Medicine.
At about the twenty-third week the lungs become able to function, and, as a result, 23 weeks is the earliest date at which premature babies have survived. At 24 weeks the third trimester begins, and at about this time, as the cerebral cortex becomes "wired," fetal EEG readings begin to look more and more like those of a newborn. It may be a logical consequence, either of natural selection or of divine creation, that fetal higher brain activity begins at about the time when life outside the mother becomes possible. After all, without brain function, prematurely born fetuses would lack elementary survival skills, such as the ability to root for nourishment.
At about 26 weeks the cell structure of the fetal brain begins to resemble a newborn's, though many changes remain in store. By the twenty-seventh week, according to Dr. Phillip Pearl, a pediatric neurologist at Children's Hospital in Washington, D.C., the fetal EEG reading shows well-organized activity that partly overlaps with the brain activity of adults, although the patterns are far from mature and will continue to change for many weeks. By the thirty-second week, the fetal brain pattern is close to identical to that of a full-term baby.
I thought about these comments a lot, and I considered doing a column that addressed these specific issues each in turn – but then I realized that there is one basic belief that underscores and supports conservative beliefs, including all these. As a matter of fact, it is an excellent summation of conservativism.
Conservative people have a moral compass that they, whether they live by it or not, acknowledge. They recognize and believe that all social questions, all government issues, can be traced back to a question of private morality. Conservatives have a strong belief that societies that are governed by people who are in turn governed by a strong moral compass are, in fact, better societies. They believe that a good government, a legitimate government, is one that is based on the conservative principles of justice, honesty, and honor.
Which is it, Miss Crawford.............?.......
Are you suggesting we hide our true views for fear we won't sustain power? That sounds like a lefty position.
No, but I am saying that like when company comes over, you put on your best manners.
Just call me Southern, not lefty ;)
In my conservativism column I argued that conservatives have a moral compass.
Therefore, I'm making the same argument in both columns.
You won't get anywhere trying to turn my words against me. Taking my words out of the context of their arguments won't work, either.
....or is it that secular humanist morality (such as you espouse) is superior to other morality, especially Christian type?
Do you always play both sides of the fence?
Umm, that's GOVERNMENT established religion; there is a difference. Now then, if the government abandons all moral restrictions under that premise then they would be supporting atheism wouldn't they? And you just told me that is a no-no! Quite the logical problem there eh? You deal w/ it. And here is hoping that you do better than just changing the subject as you did one post ago.
Sooooo, if we do actually go back to the original argument, the issue is not that of contraception, or of religion, or the constitution, but of moral choice surrounding murder; at least that is the logical direction I have been forwarding for discussion. If life does start at conception then what exactly is the destruction of that life? Do you know when life begins, and are you or I “god” enough to risk killing someone without knowing? Does the means by which this potential execution takes place matter? And lastly (follow carefully here) what does that have to do with any deity? Are you suggesting that murder is acceptable or that there is no murder unless God exists? My contentions have been “religion free”; methinks thou dost protest too much.
I have to go for now. Happy writing while you "deal with it".
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