Posted on 11/09/2004 8:23:53 AM PST by Michael Goldsberry
Edited on 11/09/2004 8:39:31 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
It isn't science but belief... Moreover belief that comes from Christian doctrine...
And the reason why the vast majority sees the difference between the morning after pill and a third trimester abortion.
You deny basic biological fact.
NOW, back to the real point, Pitiricus is a DU troll with an older sign up date. And needs to be outed on a continual basis unless Jim wants to change his stance on letting these people debate liberal dogma on his website.
I say bring it on, but that's not my call.
Do you like your prize?
No, I am aware of these facts... And of the real facts...
The truth of the matter is that the Christian position on abortion is theological... Now it is their right, but given that I am not Christian I couldn't care less...
Answer the question lefty. When do you liberals say human life begins?
Well, I am not a Christian...
Why should he ask? Fill the script or give it back! Should he also punish those on high blood pressure meds because they are obese? Tell them, "well...if you had taken better care of yourself....".
First I am not a lefti but a conservative who happens to be peo-choice and anti-gay marriage... So your little boxes don't fit...
I believe that human life began a few hundred thousand years ago (and yes, I believe also in the theory of evolution)...
And the liberals' position is atheological. Why should they be allowed to force their nonbelief on believers?
Start a ping list to watch what he/she says.
Should every gun buyer be questioned on why they want to purchase a firearm? Maybe make certain that they intend on using is for display only? For hunting only?
Not take. Retain.
That assumes, 1) you're stupid enough to give a liberal your gun to begin with and, 2) you tell them that your going to use that gun to commit a immoral act (murder, armed robbery, assault (threat), whatever).
He would certainly have a moral obligation to retain the weapon (whether he's a liberal or a conservative), if not a legal obligation.
All I'm saying is that if you can understand why the pharmacist could not fill the prescription, then certainly you can understand why he could not return it.
Actually, if you think about it, it would be quite hypocritical of him to refuse to fill it then return it to be filled by someone else.
You are a DU leftist, liberal troll. You will soon be gone.
I believe that human life began a few hundred thousand years ago (and yes, I believe also in the theory of evolution)...
Can't answer without giving yourself away? When does human life begin? When is it OK to murder your child?
I wrote that and I still believe it. I'm not sure what your point is.
I don't think it matters whether you are Christian or not, really.
There's no disputing that a life which did NOT exist prior to the uniting of an egg and a sperm DOES exist after that.
Whether that life is entitled to the same civil protections that we give human beings is obviously debatable. Reasonable minds do come down differently on this issue.
But the vast weight of historical thought, religious thought, and philosophical thought until the 19th century was that abortion was murder after quickening.
On the other hand, it wasn't until the 19th century that scientists really understood conception, anyway.
The question is what is the liberal position? For instance that a fetus doesn't have brain waves until the third trimester is a scientific fact, not a theological question... So we could argue when does personhood start, which is the real question...
My guess given the facts is about the 20-21st week of gestation. Some put it as early as the 18th, other as late as the 25th, but these are the limits... Before, there is not any person... After, there is...
The fact of the matter is that the extreme position taken is theologically based, and by and large is the peoduct of the original sin doctrine.
Instead of fighting a losing fight, you better try to see what are the fights that can be won... Third trimester abortions obviously are the ones that are problematic... Even late second trimester... And on this, a lot of people would agree to limits (probably a majority)...
But trying to ban contraception and first trimester abortions isn't going to happen. Because people see the difference, even if doctrinaires don't...
That's okay.....I have a consolation prize for you.
Life existed before... What you argue is that potential life is equal to life... It isn't...
Ducking the question, troll. At what point of development does a discreet human organism come into existence? What standard criteria for the identification of life (growth, energy transformation, reaction to stimuli, genetics, etc.) are not met by a healthy fertilized ovum?
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