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What Went Wrong?
The New Republic Online ^ | 11.04.04 | Peter Beinart

Posted on 11/04/2004 4:39:10 PM PST by thegreatbeast

The other side may be euphoric, but the intensity of their happiness can't match the intensity of our despair. Honest conservatives, even those who admire President Bush, know he didn't earn a second term. They know he staked his presidency on a catastrophe, and that, by all rights, Iraq should be his political epitaph. Their victory, while sweet, can't be fully enjoyed because it isn't fully deserved.
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But cultural sensitivity is one thing; principle is another. In their attempts to win rural voters, Democrats have already essentially abandoned gun control. That doesn't keep me up at night. But gay marriage is different. The fact that it is widely unpopular cannot obscure the fact that it is morally momentous and morally right...

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To: thegreatbeast

This is an arrogant little piece by a presumptuous ass.

Who is he to say what an honest conservative thinks, he being neither? What is his criterion for earning a second term? Anyway, we a do not give terms as rewards: we pick the best available leader for the country, and given the choice, it was easy.

Kerry is man who betrayed his country, and helped defeat a cause for which some 60,000 Americans died. He did his part to help keep Soviet communism in power for another generation, and was trying again to undercut America. Kerry showed no executive ability whatsoever, and selected a vice-presidential candidate who was a pretty-boy of even less desirable experience, and with no useful trade.

The winning alternative was Bush, a steady, principled fellow, who gives every indication of being able courageously to tackle some of our really big problems. His qualifications far outweigh his defects: smirking, walking in a way which somehow offends liberals, and showing a patriotism which offends the left.

The only time a liberal attempts to argue morality is to buttress a cause which he knows to be impossibly unpopular. There is no logic in liberal ideas of morality: it is just a sanctimonious pose by a loser.


81 posted on 11/04/2004 4:56:55 PM PST by docbnj
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To: jakkknife
Point here...

For Liberal post-election whining and moaning, I think they should be labeled "shadenfraude alerts". I really enjoy reading them moan, groan and despair.
82 posted on 11/04/2004 4:56:58 PM PST by Ronin (When the fox gnaws....SMILE!)
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To: Fenris6

You are absolutely right. The only problem I have with gay marriage is that they want to call it marriage. I'm sorry but that simply is not marriage, the actual definition of marriage is between a man and a woman. I think they should be afforded the same rights as normal people, these anti-gay marriage ammendments in 11 states (at least in my state of Utah) seem only to target gays and specifically single them out as not worthy of the same rights as normal people. If they would only concede to calling it something else ( like civil union or something) then it would be acceptable.
I believe the gay lobby is simply trying to attack a tradition and redefine it as something of their design to be able to snub their nose at christians specifically. The stubborn desire to call it something that it is not seems like an elaborate attempt to offend people.


83 posted on 11/04/2004 4:57:07 PM PST by Clavain (Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.)
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To: John Thornton
The question is what do they consider "morally wrong"?

Voting Republican?

84 posted on 11/04/2004 4:58:07 PM PST by NCjim
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To: Fenris6

You are absolutely right. The only problem I have with gay marriage is that they want to call it marriage. I'm sorry but that simply is not marriage, the actual definition of marriage is between a man and a woman. I think they should be afforded the same rights as normal people, these anti-gay marriage ammendments in 11 states (at least in my state of Utah) seem only to target gays and specifically single them out as not worthy of the same rights as normal people. If they would only concede to calling it something else ( like civil union or something) then it would be acceptable.
I believe the gay lobby is simply trying to attack a tradition and redefine it as something of their design to be able to snub their nose at christians specifically. The stubborn desire to call it something that it is not seems like an elaborate attempt to offend people.


85 posted on 11/04/2004 4:58:15 PM PST by Clavain (Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.)
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To: thegreatbeast

Hey......I learned something....that gin and raisins will cure what ails you.....


86 posted on 11/04/2004 4:58:23 PM PST by marmar (Faith is a beautiful thing.....)
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To: Mercat

.... under the canopy, stomping on the wine glass. I'm not Jewish but I know that the symbology there is the breaking of the hymen, the acceptance from the community, and the procreation of children.

IINM, the breaking of the glass is intended as a commemoration of the destruction of the Temple.


87 posted on 11/04/2004 4:58:41 PM PST by eddiespaghetti ( with the meatball eyes)
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To: John Thornton
The question is what do they consider "morally wrong"?

God?

Family?

Country?

88 posted on 11/04/2004 4:58:46 PM PST by Mensius
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To: thegreatbeast

C'mon. You can't put up an empty suit like Kerry who has no option but to try to lie himself into the presidency and expect to beat GWB, no matter how much the MSM shills for Senator Gigolo.


89 posted on 11/04/2004 5:00:08 PM PST by Post Toasties
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To: Ronin
Kerry lost because he was a wussy boy that a few trips up the river in Nam couldn't change. I encourage all here to lurk a bit over at the Democrat Underground. There is great weeping and gnashing of teeth over there, it is most entertaining. I note with mirth that Ararat is brain dead (no I mean actually brain dead). He can get to hell just in time to prepare the way for Bin Laden when we finally find him and blow him into pieces with a hellfire missile from a predator or a 40mm cannon from a AC130 gunship. I think they're going to be quite surprised to find 72 virgins isn't exactly what's going to be waiting for them on the other side of the Euphrates.
90 posted on 11/04/2004 5:00:13 PM PST by Mojave Mark (I was 4 Bush b4 it was cool.)
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To: MOgirl

Yesterday another "true conservative", Joseph Farah, was trying to hide behind the SwiftVets to push his own anti-Bush agenda. Some of the "true conservatives" tried to use his BS in their own way. It didn't work. The fact was Farah couldn't push his own agenda, and people didn't allow him to "use" the Swifties.


91 posted on 11/04/2004 5:00:59 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: thegreatbeast
Honest conservatives, even those who admire President Bush, know he didn't earn a second term. They know he staked his presidency on a catastrophe, and that, by all rights, Iraq should be his political epitaph.

Oh dear. I don't have high hopes that the left is going to deal with reality.

What a shame.

92 posted on 11/04/2004 5:01:50 PM PST by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Re: Clinton never got a majority of all votes cast, nor did he approach the total votes just obtained by Bush.

America has 59,313,309 Bush voters. More than any other President ever. Don't let a liberal forget it.

93 posted on 11/04/2004 5:02:21 PM PST by ChadGore (59,313,309 Bush fans can't be wrong.)
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To: thegreatbeast
Honest conservatives, even those who admire President Bush, know he didn't earn a second term.

Interesting. While I am not particularly thrilled with everything Bush did in his first term, the ignorance of this statement is astounding. Quite obviously he did earn a second term. Since we still live in a democratic republic (for now), all that is required to earn a second term is the approval of a majority of the Electoral College (and hence the voters). This is just more evidence of the entitlement mentality of the left. Somehow they seem to believe they have some basic right to the office and anyone else is simply a usurper.

94 posted on 11/04/2004 5:02:43 PM PST by NCSteve
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To: CWOJackson

"Iraq should be his political epitaph"

This clown has no clue what's happening in Iraq. Iraq was a planned operation .. it was to draw the enemy to ONE PLACE WHERE WE COULD FIGHT THEM .. one place .. not 50 states of America.

WHAT'S WRONG is the liberals don't get it - and I'm afraid they never will. This is a global war on terror .. not a petty little battle for Bush's own glorification.


95 posted on 11/04/2004 5:03:30 PM PST by CyberAnt (Election 2004: This election is for the SOUL OF AMERICA)
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To: bushisdamanin04

I think he always wore the barn jacket to display some consistency that he doesn't have.


96 posted on 11/04/2004 5:04:10 PM PST by Kenny500c
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To: thegreatbeast
He lost me in the second sentence!

I went no further.

97 posted on 11/04/2004 5:04:36 PM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: thegreatbeast
Very little went wrong; the far left is so smart, its stupid. Paleomarxism just isn't going to cut it in America anymore (if it ever did, which I doubt, except in commie enclaves like Cambridge, Mass. and Berkeley, CA) These fools are sooooo deluded, they can't see that it is not that they didn't "get their message out", but that they did and most people don't like it.
98 posted on 11/04/2004 5:04:51 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: thegreatbeast

I shouldn't be, but I'm still stunned to see just how out of touch these people are. They really believe they lost because they didn't "communicate their message" effectively. They're utterly blind to the truth, that they lost because enough people DO understand their frightening message all too well.

I also still shake my head over the fact that they're so myopic as to utterly ignore the evidence of history. That evidence makes clear that nations or empires cannot and will not thrive once moral decay sets in and declares wrong to be right and right to be wrong.

It's as if today's liberals think the normalization of sexual immorality and perversion has never been tried before. They think they thought it up. It's been tried, with inevitably fatal results for the city/state/nation/empire.

MM


99 posted on 11/04/2004 5:06:18 PM PST by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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To: thegreatbeast; sauropod
but the intensity of their happiness can't match the intensity of our despair

That's what you think. Hahahahaha! I haven't felt this relaxed in at least a decade. Life is good. Praise God.

100 posted on 11/04/2004 5:06:44 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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