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A Blue City (Disconsolate, Even) Bewildered by a Red America
New York Times ^ | 11/04/2004 | JOSEPH BERGER

Posted on 11/04/2004 11:18:32 AM PST by JerseyRepub

The superior, condescending attitude just drips off the page. Even they admit it and they seem to be proud of it. And they wonder why they lost and no one gets them!

An excerpt from the article...

Dr. Joseph, a bearded, broad-shouldered man with silken gray hair, was sharing coffee and cigarettes with his fellow dog walker, Roberta Kimmel Cohn, at an outdoor table outside the hole-in-the-wall Breadsoul Cafe near Lincoln Center. The site was almost a cliché corner of cosmopolitan Manhattan, with a newsstand next door selling French and Italian newspapers and, a bit farther down, the Lincoln Plaza theater showing foreign movies.

"I'm saddened by what I feel is the obtuseness and shortsightedness of a good part of the country - the heartland," Dr. Joseph said. "This kind of redneck, shoot-from-the-hip mentality and a very concrete interpretation of religion is prevalent in Bush country - in the heartland."

"New Yorkers are more sophisticated and at a level of consciousness where we realize we have to think of globalization, of one mankind, that what's going to injure masses of people is not good for us," he said.

His friend, Ms. Cohn, a native of Wisconsin who deals in art, contended that New Yorkers were not as fooled by Mr. Bush's statements as other Americans might be. "New Yorkers are savvy," she said. "We have street smarts. Whereas people in the Midwest are more influenced by what their friends say."

"They're very 1950's," she said of Midwesterners. "When I go back there, I feel I'm in a time warp."

Dr. Joseph acknowledged that such attitudes could feed into the perception that New Yorkers are cultural elitists, but he didn't apologize for it.

"People who are more competitive and proficient at what they do tend to gravitate toward cities," he said.

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To: JerseyRepub

The New York Times will say and do anything to advance their liberal agenda. They lie, they cheat and they beg. Most New Yorkers don't think like that, save for the extreme left, who look to the New York Times as some sort of moral standard to live by. And, we're the brainwashed -- you gotta laugh!


81 posted on 11/04/2004 6:40:55 PM PST by Raquel (Bush by Mandate.)
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To: ALPAPilot
What's really funny is all those "sophisticates" have been seduced by Nietzche's moral relativism and nihilism.

Of course. But I don't believe people on this thread and several others just like it understand what happens next. These cultural elites are neo-Marxists. Marxists believe the end justifies the means. Therefore, since we red state "rednecks" obviously don't know what's good for us, only the "sophisticates" with their superior knowledge and utopian intentions should be allowed to decide America's future.

Expect a full-bore assault to eliminate the Electoral College, so only states with large populations decide the outcome of elections. The drumbeat began before this election and we can expect it to get louder and louder. The campaign will be executed with traditional liberal duplicity and will be accomplished "by any means necessary."

82 posted on 11/04/2004 6:42:43 PM PST by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: JerseyRepub
""New Yorkers are more sophisticated and at a level of consciousness where we realize we have to think of globalization, of one mankind, that what's going to injure masses of people is not good for us," he said. "

They looked very sophisticated when they were at a dead run, pants wet, away from the trade center when their globalist friends were flying their highjacked planes into the buildings. There is no more parochial person on this planet than a New Yorker. They think the sun rises and sets on their city. It's a nice city in a few respects but it's tiny part of the world.

83 posted on 11/04/2004 6:53:31 PM PST by muir_redwoods
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To: CarolTX

Upstate New York has lost ALOT of population and is no longer significant politically. NYC and its suburbs (most of the latter voting for Kerry as well) are what decide elections.


84 posted on 11/04/2004 6:56:46 PM PST by Clemenza (Karl Rove IS Keyser Soze)
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To: JerseyRepub

"They're very 1950's," she said of Midwesterners. "When I go back there, I feel I'm in a time warp."

Boy do I have news for you, Chickie-poo--
that isn't "very 1950's" you're encountering--that's "very 21st century!"

Read it and weep, slut.


85 posted on 11/04/2004 6:58:21 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Dan Cooper

"New York, feed thyself."

LOL! I bet someone has the old NY Post headline:

"FORD TO CITY: DROP DEAD!"

This is why we in the heartland should get used to the eastern fringe as "Out East," like Cali/Ore/Wash is "Out West". We used to call it "back east" but let's face it: we aren't EVER going back.


86 posted on 11/04/2004 7:03:13 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Zevonismymuse

"People who are more competitive and proficient at what they do tend to gravitate toward cities."

"Gee, little redneck me thought people who were competitive and proficient believed in capitalism, and those who were not able to compete got government jobs or went on the dole. And civil servants and welfare recipients vote almost exclusively for Democrats."

NO no you don't understand. All the losers and incompetents are located in the country.

That's why all the slums, crime, violence, tenements, crumbling schools, teen pregnancy and prostitution, and disease are concentrated in small town America.

And the Bronx is a shining city on a hill.


87 posted on 11/04/2004 7:10:45 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: ken5050

I read it. It's delusional and depressing.


88 posted on 11/04/2004 7:11:37 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: thoughtomator

"A Blue City (Disconsolate, Even) Bewildered by a Red America"

If they're so smart, why are they bewildered?? A child could figure it out, but professors at the New School for Social Research don't get it!!


89 posted on 11/04/2004 7:12:38 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: b-cubed

"Since we're in the majority now, Do you suppose we could switch colors? I have a problem with being called "red"."

Relax! Under Ronaldus Magnus we won the biggest ever game of Capture the Flag. Wear it proudly! I have one in my room!


90 posted on 11/04/2004 7:17:07 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: cwb
"Another perfect example of Edwards' Two Americas."

Hear, hear. There *are* two Americas: the leftist cities and everyone else. As far as I'm concerned, the cities are the enemy (living within spitting distance of one only makes that fact all the more stark).

They say they're squeezed. They say it's the fault of the rich. They just don't get it. They're squeezed because there are too damned many of them in too small a place. Housing, water, heat, food, even such intangibles as living space are scarce because demand is high. Of course, they move out here to the suburbs and then try to impose their twisted will on the rest of us, but they never seem to learn: their beloved dense "community" is exacty the problem.

Living here is awfully convenient, but I swear I can't stand these people any more. If I could swing the commute I'd move out to Lancaster County in a heartbeat.
91 posted on 11/04/2004 7:22:12 PM PST by Windcatcher
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To: JerseyRepub
New York City; Federal income tax, State income tax, City income tax both resident and non resident, Fica both state and federal, State and city sales taxes(several). and a whole slew of other taxes.. THESE PEOPLE just love taxes..

These folks are about as a sharp as a bowling ball..

92 posted on 11/04/2004 7:51:13 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Dan Cooper
What is truly disturbng about this. most of those Blue votes in my town come from minorities who habe een sold a bill of goods by the dems for forty years. they have never challenged that bill of goods. they've accepted the reality of the new plantation; social.economic, and educational dependence. I have real respect for the black Muslims who have tried to recreate a sense of self. But to hear the Yuppie chically preen about their sophistication gets me.

A midwestern farmer knows more about global interdependence and foreign interests than any NYC MD. His livliehood depends on foreign markets and prices and events. Midwester plant workers for John Deere or CAT are much aware of the events that will affect demand for their products in Indonesia or Chile. And you know most of us New Yorkers aren't all that sophisticated. Even those who vote Blue are basically neighborhood guys who go to work, pay bills, have a night out once a month for a good meal (Though in our case it's not to a chain, but to the local Italian, Chinese, Fill in your choice).

The Blue voters here are not convinced that the Republicans care about their concerns, just like the Red staters know the Dems don't care about them. If the two groups met in a bar or at a game they'd get along quite well. But the chicy sophisticates who have coe to personify my towm, I wouldn't give them directions, which they'd need if they ever ventured out of Manhattan or Brooklyn Heights.

93 posted on 11/04/2004 7:54:54 PM PST by xkaydet65
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To: JerseyRepub
Oh My GOD!!!

This article is - Amazing - Horrifying - Laughable -
Depressing - Disgusting - on SO MANY LEVELS !!

I can not believe what I have just read !!


this ... this is just - out of this WORLD !!

"New York is an Island off the coast of Europe."

"None of the people who are likely to be hit by a terrorist attack voted for Bush. But the heartland people seemed to be saying, 'We're not affected by it if there would be another terrorist attack.' "

OMFG this either CAN'T BE TRUE - OR - it really TELLS
Everything ...
94 posted on 11/04/2004 8:48:14 PM PST by the_gospel_of_thomas (Know your Enemy and Know yourself)
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To: LdSentinal

I'd usually not agree with this but -

it's VERY HARD - VERY - Difficult for me to tell
you that you are Wrong ...


95 posted on 11/04/2004 9:02:10 PM PST by the_gospel_of_thomas (Know your Enemy and Know yourself)
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To: JerseyRepub
Ms. Cohn, a native of Wisconsin who deals in art

She is probably a hooker that claims to be an artist by erecting a male body part as a statue.

96 posted on 11/05/2004 7:21:50 AM PST by Joe Miner
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To: EEDUDE

I was born and raised here in NY, and I love it. But I'm not even remotely as parochial as these people are. In fact, I met someone like those in this article today, and told her off. I said I was sick and tired of liberals assuming that everyone within earshot agrees with them. She mumbled something about "freedom of speech" and then shut up.


97 posted on 11/06/2004 3:04:41 PM PST by kellynch (Whining about income inequality is a cop-out. -- Walter E. Williams)
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