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A Blue City (Disconsolate, Even) Bewildered by a Red America
NY Times ^ | 04 November 2004 | Joseph Berger

Posted on 11/03/2004 7:39:23 PM PST by Lorianne

triking a characteristic New York pose near Lincoln Center yesterday, Beverly Camhe clutched three morning newspapers to her chest while balancing a large latte and talked about how disconsolate she was to realize that not only had her candidate, John Kerry, lost but that she and her city were so out of step with the rest of the country.

"Do you know how I described New York to my European friends?" she said. "New York is an island off the coast of Europe."

Like Ms. Camhe, a film producer, three of every four voters in New York City gave Mr. Kerry their vote, a starkly different choice than the rest of the nation. So they awoke yesterday with something of a woozy existential hangover and had to confront once again how much of a 51st State they are, different in their sensibilities, lifestyles and polyglot texture from most of America. The election seemed to reverse the perspective of the famous Saul Steinberg cartoon, with much of the land mass of America now in the foreground and New York a tiny, distant and irrelevant dot.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: kerry; nyc
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To: hispanarepublicana

LOL! Viva las Republicanas Latinas (y Texanas, naturalmente)!


41 posted on 11/03/2004 8:19:39 PM PST by katana
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To: CWW; nana4bush

Well, I'm a big latte and cappuccino fan and I love Turkish kebab far more than apple pies but I'm as deeply far conservative as possible in my country (New Zealand) and a big Republican fan had I been in America.

(Latte is a type of coffee that Italians regularly make. It is brewed differently from regular Anglo world or Asian coffee and milk is foamed before added to the coffee.)

It's astonishing to see New York engages in such liberalism. But I have to say many average New Yorkers are less leftist than these depicted. Still, many are ar too left-wing to be useful and I still don't understand how they turned around on law and order and went sensible on the early 1990s. Much of East and Southeast Asia's new rich megacities have glittering skyscrapers and state of the art commuter transport but they alo have more faith on market forces and voluntary aid than government regulations.


42 posted on 11/03/2004 8:19:58 PM PST by NZerFromHK (Controversially right-wing by NZ standards: unashamedly pro-conservative-America)
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To: Dan from Michigan

Or Detroit (eyes roll).
Detroit 310504 votes
Bush 18329 - 5.90%
Kerry 290887 - 93.68%""

Hasn't Detroit become Muslim Amerika????


43 posted on 11/03/2004 8:20:04 PM PST by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: Lorianne

Guess I would have to take it straight - no Sanka. I don't drink coffee, don't even like the taste of it. But if I did, I would have it the Lorianne way. $5.35 is an outrage.


44 posted on 11/03/2004 8:21:06 PM PST by nana4bush
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To: philo

####"New Yorkers are savvy," she said. "We have street smarts. Whereas people in the Midwest are more influenced by what their friends say."####


Yeah, those people in the big liberal cities think for themselves. That's why it's so easy for political machines and labor bosses to herd city voters like cattle into the polls every election day with instuctions on how to vote. Last time I checked, busses weren't cruising around rural areas and small towns, driven by special interest hacks who drag voters out of their house and instruct them on how to vote as they send them lockstep into the polling place. Funny how all those "independent thinkers" all arrive at the same conclusion.


45 posted on 11/03/2004 8:22:39 PM PST by puroresu
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To: ridesthemiles

Detroit is just run by crooks. Has been since the pre-Coleman Young days.


46 posted on 11/03/2004 8:23:15 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("Dead or alive, I got a .45 - and I never miss!!!" - AC/DC - Problem Child)
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To: Lorianne

I can't even begin to tell you what Seattle was like today...


47 posted on 11/03/2004 8:24:10 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (“I know a great deal about the Middle East because I’ve been raising Arabian horses" Patrick Swazey)
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To: TexasCowboy

Life is indeed good. Thanks "Big Guy". We prayed and you answered.


48 posted on 11/03/2004 8:25:32 PM PST by pooh fan ("Strong, the pull of the Dark Side is". Yoda)
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To: Dan from Michigan

I was there last year (my brother is a naturalized permanent resident living and working at Novi) and Detroit city, even though it seemed better in 2003 than 1985, makes you want to cry out loud about the evils of do-good socialism and cultural Marxism. In fact, Mangere (the most infamous suburb in southern Auckland - the worst crime ridden area in NZ and in general much worse in crime waves than Pittsburgh for instance) looks like a big police station in comparison.

I imagine at least 75% of Detroit people are sheeples who vote as told by friends and family, and 60% of the remaining 25% think about the issues and are duped by the MSM.


49 posted on 11/03/2004 8:27:26 PM PST by NZerFromHK (Controversially right-wing by NZ standards: unashamedly pro-conservative-America)
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To: Dan from Michigan
My favorite was his predecessor Jerome Cavanaugh, who was on the cover of every major magazine for making Detroit a more "liveable city" and was being hailed as the next JFK.

A few months after boasting of being named an All American City, Detroit went up in flames, along with Mr. Cavanaugh's career.

50 posted on 11/03/2004 8:29:38 PM PST by Clemenza (AKA The Avenging Disco Godfather)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
Washington, D.C., voted 90% for Kerry, 9% for Bush: 184,000 to 19,000. Now, that is sickening. And Marion Barry is back on the city council.
51 posted on 11/03/2004 8:31:35 PM PST by FoxInSocks
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To: Lorianne
Some politically conscious children were disheartened - or sleepy - enough to ask parents if they could stay home. But even grownups were unnerved.

"Politically conscious children"?? LOL!

52 posted on 11/03/2004 8:31:45 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Lorianne
"New Yorkers are more sophisticated and at a level of consciousness where we realize we have to think of globalization, of one mankind, that what's going to injure masses of people is not good for us," he said."

Yes, New Yorkers have alienated themselves from the rest of America when they began to falsely think of themselves as being at a "higher level of consciousness", where they began to "think of globalization, of one mankind".

The rest of the nation see's you as you really are, moving down the food chain instead of up. The rest of the nation is still intelligent enough to realize that not everyone in the world is like us, and we realize that as long as there is corruption and one upmanship, there can be no "one mankind".

The rest of the nation is dumb enough to still believe in God, in good and evil, right and wrong, in man's base nature, lust for power, and general corruption of soul.

We have kept our higher level of consciousness that realizes that God split up the oneness of man at the Tower of Bable and formed races and nations with a natural animosity towards each other to keep man separate, some to make an example of by blessing their nation, and others to make an example of by cursing their nation, but foremost God separated mankind for their own protection from the totalitarianism that comes from the oneness of mankind.

Middle America, the Heartland, heeds and learns from histories lessons and refuses to repeat them. People in the Heartland don't need to get burned time after time playing with fire, or hit themselves between the eyes with a mallet over and over, before a lesson is learned. Histories lesson is that absolute power, corrupts absolutely, and one mankind leads to one world government, and one cruel world ruler.

53 posted on 11/03/2004 8:31:49 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: ridesthemiles
Santa Cruz County here. I'm in more conservative portion of the county, but not by much.

We usually have way more 3rd party votes, especially Green. The battle lines were clear this time around.

Santa Cruz County

John F. Kerry Democratic 74,302 73.3
* George W. Bush Republican 25,297 25.0
Michael Anthony Peroutka American Independent 286 0.2
David Cobb Green 634 0.6
Michael Badnarik Libertarian 629 0.6
Leonard Peltier Peace & Freedom 317 0.3

54 posted on 11/03/2004 8:34:31 PM PST by Homer_J_Simpson (Ho, Ho, Ho Chi Minh/Loves John Kerry so vote him in!)
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To: CWW
"Everybody seems to hate us these days," said Zito Joseph, a 63-year-old retired psychiatrist. "None of the people who are likely to be hit by a terrorist attack voted for Bush. But the heartland people seemed to be saying, 'We're not affected by it if there would be another terrorist attack.' "

Sounds like ol' Zito is a proponent of appeasement. For his own safety, he did exactly as Osama told him. Now, he's pissed because the rest of us didn't choose to feed the crocodile...

Most men that I know would be embarrassed to be quoted thusly in a public forum...

55 posted on 11/03/2004 8:34:34 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

They naturally understand what's at stake here. I imagine (as devil's adovate) they were thinking "Yes, I know Kerry is still far too reactionary but he's our best chance. Vote liberal and not progressive to keep the conservative **** Hitler Bush out!" when they voted Kerry.


56 posted on 11/03/2004 8:42:48 PM PST by NZerFromHK (Controversially right-wing by NZ standards: unashamedly pro-conservative-America)
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To: merry10
Boy am I getting tired of being told how stupid I am.

I took their East Coast degree back to the Midwest.

Great, 25 year marriage (she taught me everything), great kids, great job, lots of friends (not cocooned) and spiritual joy.

No debt, no drugs, no disease (!)

So who's dumb?

57 posted on 11/03/2004 8:46:24 PM PST by 1stMarylandRegiment (Conserve Liberty)
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To: Lorianne
"New Yorkers are more sophisticated and at a level of consciousness where we realize we have to think of globalization, of one mankind, that what's going to injure masses of people is not good for us," he said.

Don't sweat it chump. RINO's are all for globalization as long as it means flooding the U.S. with labor from south of the border and shipping what's left to to India, Pakistan and China.

58 posted on 11/03/2004 8:46:57 PM PST by primeval patriot (I'll stay in cowtown, I'll stick around)
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To: hispanarepublicana

I gotta visit Texas ; )


59 posted on 11/03/2004 8:48:09 PM PST by dk88 (Kakkate koi!)
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To: Lorianne

The irony of this article is that these dunderheads don't realize that one of the main reasons Kerry lost is because he embodied that very eastern elitism that EVERYBODY else hates so much. So while they are commiserating about how nobody but them gets it, the rest of us get on with our happy lives secure in the knowledge that our decision will produce better lives than the alternative.

Another relevant observation is that pompous blowhards like this probably wouldn't even HAVE the freedom to do whatever the heck it is they do (Ms. Camhe is a what? A FILM PRODUCER? When was the last time you went through a day needing one of THOSE? I'd have more respect for the guy that fills the pop machine outside the hardware store. At least I use his services occasionally) if we were all as naive as they about evil in the world. Pick the threat. The British? We had the Tories, and if we had listened to them, today we'd be eating blood pudding and all have bad teeth.

World War II? Yeah, the pacifists were right. Stay out of the war...it's none of our business...until Uncle Adolph lobs the fruits of his heavy water experiments into the Bronx and converts what would become Ms. Camhe's studio into vapor.

The list is endless. The stereotypical, but existent, New York liberal and their ilk have been responsible for more damage from political causes than anything else in American history.

Mr. Sales said "he and friends shared a feeling of 'disempowerment' as a result of the country's choice of President Bush. 'There is a feeling of 'What do I have to do to get this man out of office?'"

Well thank the Good Lord Above and everything in between that Mr. Sales and everyone like him was "disempowered". His empowerment would mean the loss of freedom and security for ALL of the rest of us. But people are beginning to understand that the liberal cares not one whit about anyone else, as long as they are "empowered". They truly are the godchildren of their mentor Mr. Soros, who has actually said he considers himself a sort of god. I'm sure he and they were all wondering 'What do I have to do to get this man out of office?'

First of all, if you really were God you wouldn't even have to ask that question. You would already know, and it would have already been successful.

Secondly, the answer is nothing. President Bush will be out of office in four years, hopefully replaced by someone who is even MORE committed to protecting the freedom and safety of the individual, if that is possible. In the meantime there is nothing the liberal can do to reverse the will of the neurally functional in this society. Not that they won't try. There has even been talk of impeachment, made impossible by the gracious expansion of Republican control of the Senate by us inferior flyovers.

No, Ms./Mr.'s Camhe, Hackett, Joseph, Cohn, Sales, Murphy, and all of you oblivious New Yorkers who were so blinded by your own self-importance that you voted for Mr. Kerry, keep producing your films, walking your dogs, dealing your art, or whatever else you do to waste your lives (not that any of us would notice, care, or be worse off if you didn't). Rest secure in the knowledge that the rest of the country has better sense than you, and chose a man who has the backbone to do the hard, necessary thing to keep us all free.

Yes, rest easy...I know I will...


60 posted on 11/03/2004 8:52:15 PM PST by truecons
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