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What We're Waiting For
CBS ^ | November 3, 2004 | David Paul Kuhn, CBS Chief Political Writer

Posted on 11/03/2004 4:40:51 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

Americans woke up to a stalled presidential election Wednesday as four states kept either candidate from declaring victory. The winner of Ohio, Wisconsin, Iowa and New Mexico could not be projected as the hour neared dawn on Nov. 3.

Ohio's 5.8 million voters will in all likelihood tip the election for either President Bush or Sen. John Kerry, as expected by Democrats and Republicans throughout the year. While the Buckeye State leans to Mr. Bush, provisional ballots in heavily Democratic precincts make a Kerry victory still possible, though not plausible.

With the exception of New Hampshire going to Democrats, the electoral map broke down akin to 2000. Of the four states on the fence, Wisconsin, Iowa and New Mexico were won by the 2000 Democratic nominee, Al Gore. Ohio was won by Mr. Bush four years ago.

In total, Mr. Bush has 252 electoral votes while Kerry trails with 242. The threshold to win the presidency is 270 electoral votes.

For Kerry to win the White House he must beat the odds in Ohio, as well as win two of three states that remain too close to estimate. Even if Mr. Bush wins only Ohio, the Republican remains in office.

Below is a breakdown of why the fate of four states holds the balance of the presidential race.

Ohio 20 Electoral Votes

With 100 percent of precincts tallied, President Bush has a 130,650 margin of victory. At last count, just past 5 a.m., there were 135,149 provisional ballots, according to Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell.

There could be upwards of 175,000 such ballots when counting is completed. Ten precincts still have not reported their provisional ballot count.

No Republican has been elected president without winning Ohio. After 5 a.m. the Bush-Cheney campaign was declaring victory in Ohio and hence the nation. But as day dawned on the East Coast, Mr. Bush had made no public comments and would not until at least 9 a.m.

Just prior to 3 a.m. the Kerry-Edwards campaign declared a "full lid," clinging their hopes to the provisional ballots to put them ahead.

Democratic advisers said they expected 75 to 80 percent of provisional ballots to break for Kerry. They believe the ballots were cast in heavily black wards of Cincinnati and Cleveland. But even if that estimate proves correct, Mr. Bush looks likely to win Ohio.

"The (Ohio) Secretary of State's Office has informed us this margin is statistically insurmountable, even after provisional ballots are considered," said Bush's Chief of Staff Andrew Card, at 5:40 a.m. "So President Bush has won the state of Ohio."

The Kerry campaign refused to concede. "We will fight for every vote," said Democratic vice presidential nominee John Edwards earlier Wednesday morning.

Provisional ballots are cast when a voter's eligibility in a precinct is uncertain, possibly due to registration or address errors. Ohio has dealt with provisional ballots before. Nearly 100,000 were cast four years ago.

State law mandates that provisional ballots will be counted beginning Nov. 13, along with overseas absentees. No provisional ballots can be verified as legitimate until noon Thursday, according to an early morning directive by the Ohio secretary of state. Overseas absentee ballots are expected to be minimal.

But if the margin of victory dwindles to a quarter of 1 percent, Ohio law mandates a recount. About three-fourths of the ballots cast in Ohio were paper, similar to those used in Florida four years ago.

If a recount is begun, each of these ballots will have to be tallied by hand. The possibility remains that Ohio is the Florida of 2004, though with one caveat: While Florida had multiple standards for verifying a valid ballot, Ohio has one statewide measure.

If Kerry loses Ohio it will not be for a lack of effort. Since securing the Democratic nomination he visited the Buckeye State more than any other, 36 times since March 2.

Wisconsin 10 Electoral Votes

With 2.8 million votes cast Kerry had a 15,000-vote lead. But with 170 precincts outstanding at about 4 a.m. a winner could not be confidently projected.

Several of the precincts are in Milwaukee, but most are in rural areas. The Wisconsin Board of Elections anticipates being able to call the final results beginning at 8 a.m.

Iowa 7 Electoral Votes

Mr. Bush led Kerry by about 13,600 votes in Iowa when four counties - Lee, Montgomery, Greene and Harrison – stopped counting at 1:30 a.m. on Wednesday. All are in rural areas.

Lee and Montgomery Counties needed to complete counting absentee ballots. Harrison and Greene Counties reported a malfunction in their counting machines, according to the Iowa secretary of state's office.

It's been 20 years since a Republican won Iowa in a presidential election. Iowa Secretary of State Chet Culver said the results would not be final for a week.

New Mexico 5 Electoral Votes With 99 percent of the precincts reporting, Mr. Bush held a 11,636 lead over Kerry. But with 28,000 uncounted absentees in New Mexico, the state could still swing for either candidate.

In 2000, New Mexico had the slimmest margin of any state. Gore won it by 366 votes four years ago.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; bushwin; election; victory
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ISN'T THIS FANTASTIC?! [John Podhoretz] The media won't call it, even though it's happened. They're graceless. So is Kerry. They are tying themselves to this depressing loser. It's everything I ever wanted. Posted at 03:36 AM

http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/corner.asp

1 posted on 11/03/2004 4:40:51 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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"Americans woke up to a stalled presidential election Wednesday as four states kept either candidate from declaring victory."

It's not stalled at all. Kerry and his media pals just haven't caught up yet.

2 posted on 11/03/2004 4:41:48 AM PST by CWOJackson
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3 posted on 11/03/2004 4:43:51 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
the Kerry-Edwards campaign declared a "full lid"

Back in my college days in the early 70's, that phrase had a whole other meaning. I think it would give them comfort if they used it in that context again.

4 posted on 11/03/2004 4:45:01 AM PST by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
As much as I despise the French, they called the election hours ago. Leave it to the French to surrender first and to the liberals to not know when they've lost.
5 posted on 11/03/2004 4:45:09 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson

Where in the hell is it written in our Constitution that the president is elected "when the media declares him the winner"?


6 posted on 11/03/2004 4:45:24 AM PST by Russ
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What We're Waiting For

"Essentially, for someone to tell us how we can conceivably steal electoral victory from a candidate who's just racked up an all-time record 2,777,645 votes, nationwide." :)

7 posted on 11/03/2004 4:46:50 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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" provisional ballots in heavily Democratic precincts make a Kerry victory still possible, though not plausible."

Th Kerry /dems are having a tantrum and the media goes along with it.


8 posted on 11/03/2004 4:47:46 AM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL on issues of national security for two decades)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Hey Secret Service, stop wasting money on a protection detail for a never-was French Senator from Massachusettes - we've got some spending to trim in this country.


9 posted on 11/03/2004 4:48:13 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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"With the exception of New Hampshire going to Democrats, the electoral map broke down akin to 2000"

Does anyone know what's going on in New Hampshire with the last 5% of votes? Why did they call New Hampshire with less then 10K difference?

My sister in law was a poll checker in Amherst and said they had run out of ballots and had to give absentee ballots to a lot of people they also photo copied some ballots. Is something like this holding up that last 5%?


10 posted on 11/03/2004 4:49:39 AM PST by katagious (Katagious)
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....."There could be upwards of 175,000 such ballots when counting is completed. Ten precincts still have not reported their provisional ballot count.".......


The RATS haven't stopped stuffing the boxes in the remaining ten precincts.


11 posted on 11/03/2004 4:51:15 AM PST by aShepard
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Liz

Well...there is ONE advantage to the MSM NOT yet calling it..they haven't been able to refer to W. as a "lame duck!"


12 posted on 11/03/2004 4:52:35 AM PST by ken5050
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Not sure it is lack of sleep, or mistrust of Kerry, but I'm not feeling good about things this morning. After the 2000 election, I won't be happy till the tall guy with the long face concedes.
14 posted on 11/03/2004 4:55:06 AM PST by ProudVet77 (W stands for Winner)
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To: MEG33

I think I'll change my tagline!


15 posted on 11/03/2004 4:56:02 AM PST by MEG33 ( Congratulations President Bush!..Thank you God. Four More Years!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The whole point of the Rat exercises is to develop a means via the provisional vote mechanism to fradulently steal an election.

The provisional concept has been developed specifically to provide a mechanism that can be manipulated in a corupt legal system to steal a future election.


The legal system does not run on the law, it runs on precedent. We will wittness the establishment of precedent in the coming days. Hillary's future depends on it.


16 posted on 11/03/2004 4:57:15 AM PST by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: Russ

Where in the hell is it written in our Constitution that the president is elected "when the media declares him the winner"?



The official decision is actually made on Free Republic....... it just takes ordinary mortals a while to come to that realization.


17 posted on 11/03/2004 4:59:13 AM PST by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: ProudVet77

Have you tried prune juice?


18 posted on 11/03/2004 5:00:00 AM PST by ken5050
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

When will they trot out Lizzie to deliver the closing aria?

And what exactly is keeping these networks (even FOX) from calling New Mexico and Nevada? Are those recount eligible?


19 posted on 11/03/2004 5:00:42 AM PST by Rutles4Ever ("...upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.")
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To: Russ
Where in the hell is it written in our Constitution that the president is elected "when the media declares him the winner"?

Yeah, darn it, this is a democracy, not a Mediocracy.

20 posted on 11/03/2004 5:04:44 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Hey, what's that smell? I think it's......................................NAPALM!!!!!)
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