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Britt Hume quizzes Fox pollster, he admits "we're not very good" Halloween screwed things up
Special Report with Britt Hume | 11/01/2004

Posted on 11/01/2004 3:47:09 PM PST by motife

Britt Hume just quizzed the Fox pollster, who looks to be about 25, on the strange results of weekend polls. The pollster said there's really no difference between Fox having Kerry +2 and Battleground with Bush +3. Same number. That's social science, he says.

Then Britt brought up the more glaring state poll results Fox has. Kerry 49 Bush 43 in Florida vs. Quinnipiac having Bush 51 Kerry 43. Again, he said that those 2 polls says the same thing(!!) but the pollster REALLY looked sheepish after he said it. He said Fox is not very good at taking state polls, since they're so new at it. Florida is particularly hard, he says because of its great diversity. Also that Halloween on a Sunday is very hard to poll on. When do you call, during the day, at night? Are you under-representing people with kids who aren't answering the phone?

Britt was very gentle with this guy, but I think Britt was embarassed also. Fred Barnes said the Fox poll was junk. Fox should have seen that when they saw Kerry leading among men(??), "no one believes that. A Halloween poll, on a Sunday? Fox should have thrown that poll out not issued it."


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: foxnews; foxnewspolls; halloween; hume
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To: motife
Britt's answer to that was that summing several polls reduces the margin of error.

Not really. That would assume that all the polls were done the same way with the exact same questions. Something I highly doubt. It has been a long time since I took college statistics, but these polls are mostly meaningless. They give a general indication of trends, but they are not specific enough to offer any real details. Without getting into confidence intervals, these polls can only get down to about 5% accuracy. Someone better versed on statistics can give more reasons why.

61 posted on 11/01/2004 4:57:18 PM PST by killjoy (Kerry/Edwards so full of crap they need two Johns.)
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To: motife

I've never been polled, and I probably never will be. We do not answer the phone if there is no name on the caller ID, and I know LOTS of other people who do the same thing.


62 posted on 11/01/2004 5:01:06 PM PST by Mannaggia l'America
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To: My2Cents

You should find them a Realclearpolitics.com. Mason-Dixon released their last round of polls Saturday night, I believe.


63 posted on 11/01/2004 5:25:27 PM PST by Spook86 (,)
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To: My2Cents; All

I think after the election a lot of polling firms will go out of business.


64 posted on 11/01/2004 5:26:47 PM PST by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: motife

The Halloween thing could have skewed against the GOP. I'm in a fighting mood tonight, so I will give it a go with an explanation.

A TON of Bush voters are families with small kids. If your house was like ours yesterday with getting three kids in costumes and dragging them around the neighborhood, and passing out candy, you had NO time to answer the phone.

The one Kerry guy with a lawn sign in my neighborhood had his outside lights off and wasn't participating in Halloween....that guy was answering the pollsters calls!

Ok...maybe a reach here, but let's have fun tonight!

Go GW!


65 posted on 11/01/2004 5:31:06 PM PST by SteveAustin
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To: My2Cents

I think this is the end of a beautiful (LOL) relationship between Fox and Opinion Dynamics. Next election cycle Fox will team up with Rasmussen and Zogby with Opinion Dynamics because Reuters will kick old Zogby to the street for such an embarrasing job. Forget this poll, believe Harris Phone poll and Pew.


66 posted on 11/01/2004 5:37:29 PM PST by Jose Roberto
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To: motife
Are you under-representing people with kids who aren't answering the phone?

Nya nya nya-nya nya!

That's what I've been repeating the last two days. Parents with kids who live at home are one of the most pro-Bush (and even Dole) demographics there is, and polling on Halloween almost garauntees you'd miss them.

67 posted on 11/01/2004 5:43:17 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: motife
Then Britt brought up the more glaring state poll results Fox has. Kerry 49 Bush 43 in Florida vs. Quinnipiac having Bush 51 Kerry 43. Again, he said that those 2 polls says the same thing(!!) but the pollster REALLY looked sheepish after he said it...he should have - he skated over the fact that the Quinnipiac at 8 points was outside the margin of error (+/-4), after he had just spent so much time extolling the wonderfulness of the MOE, while the Fox was well within the MOE of +/-3.7...but then who would expect some college professor to point out something positive about what was going on with Bush......
68 posted on 11/01/2004 6:04:20 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Bernard

I think the "L" is a "J" (the two pumpkins are supposed to show John Kerry's initials). Sure to sway some undecided voters to vote for Kerry.


69 posted on 11/01/2004 6:07:05 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Cableguy
Bush's lead of 8 points exceeds 2x MOE. So we can be sure with 95% probability that Bush has a real lead.

Isn't "MOE" two Standard Deviations, which is approximately 95%?

70 posted on 11/01/2004 6:11:24 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton

It's a bell curve, with 95% of the curve within MOE.


71 posted on 11/01/2004 6:20:22 PM PST by Cableguy (Bush wins 53/47)
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To: SteveAustin

Bump! As I said on another post WEEKEND (HALLOWEEN) POLLS STINK!! GO BUSH!


72 posted on 11/01/2004 6:24:13 PM PST by BobFromNJ (go-Star-go)
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