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1 posted on 10/30/2004 5:20:57 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

It did enter my head that the tape might be cover for a move. Release the tape and focus attention on where everyone thinks he is, not where he's heading...


2 posted on 10/30/2004 5:23:52 PM PDT by HarryCaul
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To: Perdogg

November 1st suprize??


3 posted on 10/30/2004 5:26:22 PM PDT by BP2
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To: Perdogg
1) Do not post anything from debka

2) see above

5 posted on 10/30/2004 5:27:21 PM PDT by ChadGore (Vote Bush. He's Earned It.)
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To: Perdogg
What the hell are the Indians flying, Fokker Eindeckers? Don't they have at least rudimentary armament? They should've carpeted the joint with every ounce of ordinance they were carrying, fer crying out loud.......


8 posted on 10/30/2004 5:29:11 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Taglines? Vikings don't need no steenkin' taglines..............)
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To: Perdogg

...Debka? ...better than the Buchananites' anti-defense, anti-American sites.


10 posted on 10/30/2004 5:30:10 PM PDT by familyop (Receive, adhere, listen, dissolve, entice and launch.)
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To: Perdogg

Don't you know that Debka is an anagram for BAKED news? :)


13 posted on 10/30/2004 5:32:16 PM PDT by Tealc (Mail me if you want on or off my Jaffa, Kree! ping list)
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To: Perdogg
Osama bin Laden’s videotaped warning to the American people aired by al Jazeera Arabic TV Friday, October 29, was as lethal as any terrorist attack.

No it wasn't. If bin Laden could launch an actual attack just before the election, he would. Instead, thanks to G.W. Bush, the best he can muster is this cheesey video tape.

18 posted on 10/30/2004 5:40:53 PM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: Perdogg

Screw Osama. He doesn't scare me. They made a stupid video tape because they know that their attempts to attack the U.S. are FAILING.


20 posted on 10/30/2004 5:48:26 PM PDT by BlindGuardian (Re-elect George W. Bush!)
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To: Perdogg
Ok, call me crazy, but has anyone else noticed how white Binny's clothes and turban are? They're absolutely spotless! How, if he's living in some "no man's land," can he keep his clothes so clean?????
22 posted on 10/30/2004 5:49:26 PM PDT by Use It Or Lose It
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To: Perdogg; Dog; Coop; Cap Huff; AdmSmith; jeffers; nuconvert; Ragtime Cowgirl
8 “The agents hunting the al Qaeda leader are working on the premise that he has decided to wait out the winter months in one of two regions: Hunza province in the Northern Frontier tip of Indian Kashmir or Little Pamir...”

First off, let me apologize for pinging you to a DEBKA thread, a source so disreputable that in November of 2001, they reported three divisions of Chinese PLA had crossed the border into Afghanistan to oppose American soldiers.

But even DEBKA can follow up where other more credible sources have gone before, and that may be the case this time. The sighting of Osama in the Ladakh region of northern Kashmir, near the Chinese border was discussed at length on the FR thread, "Indians Put Security Forces on Red Alert After Osama Bin Laden Sighting in Laddakh", that originated as a news story from the South Asia Tribune.

In both these articles, there was the claim that American intelligence agents flew to New Delhi to meet with their Indian counterparts for briefings. If this is true, someone in Washington is taking these reports seriously, and so should we, till we learn better.

THE MAPS...
The DEBKA article mentioned two additional areas (Hunza and Little Pamir) that they claim are of interest in the search for the al-Qa'ida leadership. They can be found on the map below. Little Pamir is located in the awesome and notorious Wakhan Corridor of Afghanistan. The Little Pamir is found in the upper center of the map. Hunza, a district of the Northern Areas of Pakistan (or Kashmir, depending on who's holding the rifle at the moment), is found in the center of the map, north of the strategically important city of Gilgit. Both of these sites are close enough to the Chinese border to make dogs nervous.

This DEBKA article correctly notes the really interesting strategic and intelligence history of the Little Pamir. Check out some of these Google results for "missile" and "little pamir". Note the altitudes of in the map below, they are in meters and only represent the height of passes, not the mountains. This is not a terrain to be taken lightly.


multimap.com | The above map came from MultiMap.com. Click the logo on the left to visit
the best site on the internet for accurate and detailed maps of the entire world.

 
To orient yourself regionally, find Gilgit in the far north part of the map of Pakistan, below and note, too, Afghanistan's Wakhan Corridor immediately above that.


--Boot Hill

30 posted on 10/30/2004 7:47:22 PM PDT by Boot Hill (Candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo, candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo!!!)
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To: Perdogg

They keep saying here and there that bin Laden is in a
cave. Could he possibly be in the cave in Saudi Arabia
where Muhammad composed the Koran? What's the name of
the mountain, near Mecca isn't it?


31 posted on 10/30/2004 8:05:05 PM PDT by Twinkie
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To: Perdogg

Sunday 31 October 2004


Bin Laden 'safe with Afghan tribe'

KUWAIT CITY: Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden is living in a safe place northeast of the Afghan capital under the protection of a tribe, Kuwait's Al Rai Al Aam newspaper quoted Islamic sources as saying yesterday.

Fugitive Taliban leader Mullah Omar is also living inside Afghanistan and has recently sent an envoy to three Gulf states, including Kuwait, to collect donations from Jihad (holy war) sympathisers, the sources said.

An unnamed person met Omar two weeks ago and also saw Bin Laden some two-and-a-half months ago and told the sources the Al Qaeda leader was in good spirits.

"Sheikh Abu Abdullah (Bin Laden) is in good health and high morale.

"He lives along with four people in a safe place with an Afghan tribe that provides him with all means of comfort and safety," the sources quoted the man as saying.

"Sheikh Osama lives in an area northeast of Kabul and closely follows the military actions of his followers," he added.

Bin Laden's number two Ayman Al Zawahiri also lives in Afghanistan but in an area far away from where the Al Qaeda leader is hiding, the sources said.

The two leaders exchange information and co-ordinate through well-trusted men.

Both the Taliban and Al Qaeda are currently "regrouping" in preparation to launch "qualitative" attacks against US forces in Afghanistan, the sources added.

However, US forces in Afghanistan said they believe Bin Laden is still roaming along the frontier between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

After three years hunting the elusive Al Qaeda chief in Afghanistan, US forces are still "not exactly sure" where he is, but have "firm confidence" they will catch him one day, said Major Scott Nelson, a spokesman for the US-led coalition.

Some 16,000 US troops dominate an 18,000-strong military coalition, tasked with capturing and killing Al Qaeda, Taliban and other extremists in Afghanistan since failing to arrest Bin Laden in late 2001.

The videotape aired on Al Jazeera TV on Friday night was the first featuring Bin Laden since September 10, 2003, when the same network aired a tape showing Bin Laden walking through rock-strewn hilly terrain with Al Zawahiri.

US intelligence analysts believe the latest tape is authentic and may have been recorded as early as last month.

US commanders had expressed confidence early this year of finally capturing Bin Laden, but since then they have been playing down his importance.

Hundreds of Al Qaeda and Taliban fugitives have found sanctuary and set up training camps in remote Pakistani tribal areas hugging the border, where hardline tribes support their Islamic extremism and hatred of the US.

http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?Article=95456&Sn=WORL&IssueID=27225


34 posted on 10/30/2004 8:21:16 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Perdogg
"But before bin Laden disappeared in his mountain fastness, he not only had the videotape posted to al Jazeera, but left with his men precise instructions defining the political circumstances and timing for the next al Qaeda terrorist attack in the United States."

I think this is very likely. I think the threat is serious, and we need a resolute President who can deal with it. (Hint: It's NOT Kerry)

35 posted on 10/30/2004 8:35:48 PM PDT by FairOpinion (GET OUT THE VOTE. ENSURE A BUSH/CHENEY WIN.)
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To: Perdogg
2001 > Debkafiles quoted from California Guard: http://www.calguard.ca.gov/ia/Taliban/Bin%20Ladens%20Secret%20Citadel.htm
Bin Laden's Secret Citadel in Afghan-China Border Area

2001 > http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/bombproof.html
Bin Laden at ex-Soviet, high tech, bomb proof bunker complex near ...

Seems DEBKA reported on Bin Laden and this area before. Could be BS or could be that the Al Quaeda are creatures of habit and like to go back to places - WTC, LAX etc.

39 posted on 10/30/2004 8:43:31 PM PDT by Henchman (Who gave KERRY entré to the VC @ Paris? T.Kennedy? McGovern? ...some"high" low D'rat probably)
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To: Perdogg

Debka = National Enquirer


40 posted on 10/30/2004 8:47:00 PM PDT by dancusa (Kerry is a phoney and a poseur)
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To: Perdogg
Debka.

'Nuff said.

41 posted on 10/30/2004 8:50:24 PM PDT by mhking
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To: Perdogg

Reading DEBKA is kind of like going to Art Bell's website. Sometimes interesting, but rarely enlightening. There are times when it reads like the gossip that may be going around MOSSAD Headquarters when it comes to areas in which they have no agents or technical means.


47 posted on 10/31/2004 1:48:54 AM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: dd5339

I know the source is suspect, but the article is still interesting...


49 posted on 10/31/2004 5:41:25 AM PST by Vic3O3 (Jeremiah 31:16-17 (KJV))
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To: Perdogg

Interesting


51 posted on 10/31/2004 7:52:11 AM PST by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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