11 States To Vote On Same-Sex "Marriage"

Associated Press ^ | October 30, 2004 | David Crary

[Clintonfatigued]

Widespread public opposition to gay marriage potential benefit to Bush on Election Day.

[SAJ]

Yep, this is the tipping issue. OH, MI, OR, AR.

[Always Right]

If it benefits Bush in Ohio and Michigan, it will be a long night for Kerry.

[Always Right]

I really kind of hope this is the issue that decides the election for Bush. The Dems will stone their own.

[Southack]

Might make a difference in Oregon, Michigan, and Ohio.

[JonDavid]

This is Bush's October Surprise.

[SAJ]

This one I think can be fairly credited to Rove and his staff. His people were all over MO during the petition drive here, and -- looking back -- it makes absolutely perfect political sense to have this issue be the subject of ballot initiatives on the same ballot as the national offices. Rather synergistic, in a sense. High positive feedback, in that the social conservatives' vote on the ballot issue trends strongly also for the more conservative candidates, who when in office tend to support similar issues, which in turn continues the energisation of the social conservatives.

Unless I miss my guess, we will also see a number of high-profile, high-emotion initiatives on the November 2008, et. seq. ballots particularly if the post-election number crunching this year shows that Mr. Bush benefited significantly. I'm talking long-term trend here. Americans invariably smash the lefties when a social-issue proposition comes up for a vote (certain cities in CA, OR, WA, MA, IL, NY excepted), and it must therefore be both correct and politically smart to concentrate social conservatives' favourite issues into ballot initiatives at the Presidential elections.

If this trend does eventuate in 2008, 2012, etc., remember: you heard it right here first, and in so many words.

FReegards!

[SAJ]

This one I think can be fairly credited to Rove and his staff. His people were all over MO during the petition drive here, and -- looking back -- it makes absolutely perfect political sense to have this issue be the subject of ballot initiatives on the same ballot as the national offices. Rather synergistic, in a sense. High positive feedback, in that the social conservatives' vote on the ballot issue trends strongly also for the more conservative candidates, who when in office tend to support similar issues, which in turn continues the energisation of the social conservatives.

Unless I miss my guess, we will also see a number of high-profile, high-emotion initiatives on the November 2008, et. seq. ballots particularly if the post-election number crunching this year shows that Mr. Bush benefited significantly. I'm talking long-term trend here. Americans invariably smash the lefties when a social-issue proposition comes up for a vote (certain cities in CA, OR, WA, MA, IL, NY excepted), and it must therefore be both correct and politically smart to concentrate social conservatives' favourite issues into ballot initiatives at the Presidential elections.

If this trend does eventuate in 2008, 2012, etc., remember: you heard it right here first, and in so many words.

FReegards!

[SAJ]

Apols for the double post, had a dial-up hiccup. (mutter...)

[Ol' Sparky]

It would if he were taking advantage of the issue. Sadly, Bush decided to endorse civil unions and pretty much ignore a winning issue.

[coffeebreak]

It would if he were taking advantage of the issue. Sadly, Bush decided to endorse civil unions and pretty much ignore a winning issue.

Angering conservatives and losing votes. I won't vote for Kerry but I won't vote for Bush either because of his support for civil unions.

[Clintonfatigued]

This issue should draw social conservatives and churchgoers who are not regular voters, and hurt 'Rats across the board.

[Unam Sanctam]

Please don't cut off your nose to spite your face. Kerry will impose an pro-abortion and pro-homosexuality litmus test for the Supreme Court. Bush will not. You NEED to get out and vote.

[q_an_a]

ditto that - not voting for the presidnet is voting FOR KERRY. How do you expect the left in oregan to take conservatives seriously if you don't vote?

[TASMANIANRED]

Kentucky is one of 12 voting on the issue.

One of my pals is working the polls that day. The wording on the amendment is very confusing.

[SAJ]

Trust the politicos to put the ball up in the air, eh? Sorry to hear about the ballot language, but MO isn't exempt here either. The Preservation of Marriage amendment, which we voted on in August (71.29% approval) was VERY clear -- even ambulance chasers will have a hard time arguing about the wording -- but now it's November and we've a couple of ballot initiatives that are worded in such fashion as to virtually guarantee a lawsuit by the losing side. Prop 3 in particular (just another variant on the old 'earmarked' money shellgame...).

[IchBinEinBerliner]

Well let's hope that despite your lack of support that Kerry loses. Once something achieves the "Constitution Right" status as abortion has it is awful hard to reverse. I do not think that Bush supports civil unions as much as he does not oppose them. I think you might be better of with 50% of your values being pushed forward by the President for 4 more years than 100% of the leftist agenda shoved down your throat for the lifetime of the Poodle's judicial appointments. Good luck to you. I hope that the decision you make is one that does not cause you a lifetime of regret.

[Churchillspirit]

Sadly, not voting for Bush may have the same effect as voting for Kerry.

Best stay away from Starbucks for the next decade if Kerry gets elected.

[John Lenin]

Since it's the radical homos who have caused Bush the most grief this is called karmic justice.

[scripter]

I won't vote for Kerry but I won't vote for Bush either because of his support for civil unions.

As I see it, civil unions are just a term for what is already legal under the constitution. Now, I could be wrong as that's just how I understand it. If I'm wrong then I can better understand your position but I'm still supporting Bush 100% for many reasons, some of which include Supreme Court Justices.