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Vote deadline extended (earlier Rendell said the absentee military vote wont make a difference)
Philly News ^ | Oct. 30, 2004 | Mario F. Cattabiani

Posted on 10/30/2004 7:32:15 AM PDT by Former Military Chick

HARRISBURG - The state will count absentee ballots of Pennsylvanians living abroad and serving in the military overseas that arrive up to eight days after Tuesday's election under a compromise brokered yesterday by a federal judge.

Yet the agreement might not be the final word on a contentious battle pitting Republican leaders and conservative talk-show hosts against Democratic Gov. Rendell, who had until yesterday opposed the extension.

Hours after a federal judge approved the settlement, GOP leaders filed a separate motion in state court to push back the deadline even further.

Still, parents of the two Army enlisted men serving in the Middle East who had petitioned the federal court for more time said they were pleased with the compromise, although it was unlikely it would allow their sons' votes to return home.

"I've accepted that fact, but I hope what we did will help others have their votes counted," said Susan Schramm, the mother of Matthew J. Schramm of Schwenksville, Montgomery County, who is serving in Kuwait. "We owe it to the rest of them. They have offered up their lives for us."

Robert J. Reitz, the father of Steven J. Reitz of Venango County, who is stationed in Iraq and who received his ballot Thursday, said, "We've done some good for our troops overseas."

Before the agreement, overseas ballots had to be received by yesterday to be counted for all state offices and by Election Day for the presidential election.

Pennsylvania's 67 counties have sent about 26,700 absentee ballots overseas, but it is unclear how many were mailed to military personnel, who tend to vote Republican.

Until yesterday, Rendell opposed moving the deadline, arguing that it would confuse voters and put undue burden on already overburdened county election boards. He had said he would support an extension if given evidence that military voters had not received their ballots on time.

Yesterday, he acknowledged that the situation with Reitz was just such proof.

"We all stood up for that soldier's rights," the governor said.

Attorneys for the Rendell administration and for the two soldiers hashed out the agreement during three hours of closed-door talks with U.S. District Judge Yvette Kane.

Although mired in the subtleties of arcane election law, the question of whether to extend the deadline came down to timing: How far back could the state push it and still certify election results by the Dec. 7 cutoff date?

Counties had delayed sending absentee ballots overseas because of uncertainty over whether the courts would allow Ralph Nader to be a presidential candidate. Nonetheless, Rendell officials have said that all but two counties - rural Huntingdon and Venango - met a Sept. 20 deadline for those mailings.

But many soldiers serving abroad have yet to receive ballots because of wartime postage delays, GOP officials have argued.

Under the agreement, overseas ballots postmarked on or before Nov. 2 will be counted as long as they reach their county election bureaus by 5 p.m. Nov. 10.

Rendell's stance softened as the day progressed.

In the early morning, he had offered to extend the deadline until Nov. 5, then, hours later, he offered Nov. 9, before eventually giving up one more day.

By settling on Nov. 10, the state leaves itself enough time to count the ballots and factor them into a new law triggering a recount in statewide races closer than half of one percentage point, said Mark Aronchick, a Philadelphia election-law expert hired by the Rendell administration.

Yesterday's accord pertains only to votes cast for presidential candidates. The two sides have agreed to file an emergency request with Commonwealth Court to extend the deadline until Nov. 10 for state offices as well.

The settlement to the case comes nine days after Kane rejected a request by the U.S. Justice Department to extend the deadline by two weeks.

Kane ruled at that time that federal lawyers failed to prove their case, in part because they never presented evidence that a single overseas voter would be harmed.

Yesterday, she lauded the parents of the two soldiers for their persistence to "ensure that your young people are not disenfranchised."

Attorneys for the father of an Army soldier from Altoona and Alan Novak, chairman of the Republican State Committee, filed a separate motion in Commonwealth Court late yesterday seeking a 30-day extension.

For more than a week, Rendell has come under intense pressure from GOP officials who have accused him of trying to suppress the military vote.

His main phone line has been swamped by more than 1,000 calls, prompted by conservative talk-show hosts who have urged listeners to complain. The volume has forced the administration to route calls to a recorded message explaining the governor's position on the issue, said Kate Philips, Rendell's press secretary.

The Republican Party was exploiting the issue "big time... to try and create the impression that Democrats don't care about the military," Rendell said in one of two conference calls with reporters yesterday.

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Contact staff writer Mario F. Cattabiani at 717-787-5990 or mcattabiani@phillynews.com. Inquirer staff writers Nathan Gorenstein and John Sullivan contributed to this article.


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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Bump!


21 posted on 10/30/2004 8:54:27 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: No_Doll_i

I wish I could make it, but Jason has to work tomorrow and needs my car to get there.


22 posted on 10/30/2004 8:54:52 AM PDT by mass55th ("If I were two faced, would I be wearing this one?"----Abe Lincoln (1809-1865))
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To: Former Military Chick

8 days? Why not two weeks? Rendell knows that only about 70% will get there in 8 days. As long as they agreed to extend the time, why not do it right?


23 posted on 10/30/2004 8:56:49 AM PDT by matchwood
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; 8mmMauser; armymarinemom; Acela; afterhoursguru; AlextheWise1; AniGrrl; ..
Pass on to anyone you know that needs this!


24 posted on 10/30/2004 9:00:26 AM PDT by SheLion ( Rove knew that sKerry was a man that stood for nothing and therefore would fall for anything.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for ping, Tonk.


25 posted on 10/30/2004 9:00:47 AM PDT by SE Mom (Happy RedSox Republican!)
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To: matchwood
He will never do things RIGHT.

Don't let anyone fool you. PA is tight and that bastard knows it. Central and Northern Tier Counties and pull this pull it off with turn out.

I wonder if he is attempting to trump the AMISH VOTE. I don't think he was counting on this.

The silent majority has had enough, they know what is on the line.
26 posted on 10/30/2004 9:12:35 AM PDT by WakeUpAndVote (TerRAYzuh, she gives African Americans a bad name.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTT!!!!!!!


27 posted on 10/30/2004 10:01:26 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for the info.


28 posted on 10/30/2004 10:15:34 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Former Military Chick; Happy2BMe; devolve; PhilDragoo; yall
Good news! :^D


From the article:

HARRISBURG - The state will count absentee ballots of Pennsylvanians living abroad and serving in the military overseas that arrive up to eight days after Tuesday's election under a compromise brokered yesterday by a federal judge.

Yet the agreement might not be the final word on a contentious battle pitting Republican leaders and conservative talk-show hosts against Democratic Gov. Rendell, who had until yesterday opposed the extension.

Hours after a federal judge approved the settlement, GOP leaders filed a separate motion in state court to push back the deadline even further.


How algore almost stole an election .....



Bug-eyed Chad Search


29 posted on 10/30/2004 10:25:21 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: SheLion


30 posted on 10/30/2004 10:27:24 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Former Military Chick
As long as they were submitted before November 2nd, there should be absolutely NO EXCUSE for not counting the votes of any US military personnel, no matter when it arrives in the polling/counting center.
31 posted on 10/30/2004 11:13:19 AM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: MeekOneGOP
Vote here. You don't even have to be a legal voter.

Democrats welcome.

This is a joke, right?

32 posted on 10/30/2004 11:23:37 AM PDT by SheLion ( Rove knew that sKerry was a man that stood for nothing and therefore would fall for anything.)
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To: DTogo

One possible problem with postmarks: Things may be different now, but last year my husband's letters from Kuwait and Iraq were postmarked in New York, stamped with a date usually a week or more after my husband's letter date. Sometimes mail from non-permanent stations is flown out of the theater to the U.S. and THEN postmarked once it gets into the system. I sure hope there is a machine standing by on EVERY military facility overseas with an authentic date-time stamp for these soldiers who are trying to beat the Nov. 2 postmark deadline.


33 posted on 10/30/2004 11:30:55 AM PDT by shezza (Watch "Stolen Honor" -- and then wonder how even one American could ever vote for JF'nK)
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To: SheLion
haha! Yeah, I photoshopped it yesterday. :^D

34 posted on 10/30/2004 11:47:01 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: MeekOneGOP
haha! Yeah, I photoshopped it yesterday. :^D

Good work as always, Meek! Hahaaa! Your images sure make me laugh! :-)

35 posted on 10/30/2004 11:52:42 AM PDT by SheLion ( Rove knew that sKerry was a man that stood for nothing and therefore would fall for anything.)
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To: SheLion
Thanks! :^D


36 posted on 10/30/2004 12:06:24 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Former Military Chick
The Republican Party was exploiting the issue "big time... to try and create the impression that Democrats don't care about the military," Rendell said in one of two conference calls with reporters yesterday.

I heard Mr. Rendell's debate with Sean Hannity when Sean nailed him but good. Mr. Rendell claimed that merely 2 soldiers not having received their absentee ballots wasn't good enough evidence. Apparently, he decided to change his mind a few hours later. So now, who's explointing the issue?
37 posted on 10/30/2004 12:19:49 PM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: No_Doll_i
Have you seen this? Supposedly the rally in DC tomorrow has been cancelled.

Rally

38 posted on 10/30/2004 12:53:10 PM PDT by mass55th ("If I were two faced, would I be wearing this one?"----Abe Lincoln (1809-1865))
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To: WakeUpAndVote
I wonder if he is attempting to trump the AMISH VOTE. I don't think he was counting on this.

I saw that on TV, about Amish people getting out the vote. I was really surprised (and pleased).

39 posted on 10/30/2004 1:17:11 PM PDT by pray4liberty (May God make everything go wrong for those who would try to cheat/steal this election. Amen.)
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To: WakeUpAndVote

God, I hope you are right - I'm reading "Stalin" right now and talk about Déjà vu - holy s**t!


40 posted on 10/30/2004 3:19:46 PM PDT by matchwood
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