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Priest: It's a sin to vote pro-choice
Casper Star Tribune ^
| Friday, October 29, 2004
| AP
Posted on 10/29/2004 4:50:14 AM PDT by SLB
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posted on
10/29/2004 4:50:14 AM PDT
by
SLB
To: cpforlife.org
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posted on
10/29/2004 4:51:11 AM PDT
by
SLB
("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
To: SLB
"But at least one member of the congregation dislikes being told how to vote"
So let's spend a third of the article quoting this one person.
To: SLB
"Nonprofits can't get away with this by avoiding the candidate's name and using the word 'pro-life,'" said the group's president, Frances Kissling.
*Unless she repents, Frances will have eternity to chat with Satan about her interpretations of the First Ammendment
To: SLB
Ah me - it can be so darn inconvenient to want to be a good Christian and then find out that it requires you to make Christian-like decisions. How dare God expect you to fight evil, even if it promises you something for nothing. Satan has a penchant for whispering in peoples' ears that he will give them lots of nice stuff for free if they only do his evil deeds. On the other hand, Democrats whisper in peoples' ears that they will give them lots of nice stuff for free if they will only support their evil deeds...
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posted on
10/29/2004 5:00:29 AM PDT
by
trebb
(Ain't God good . . .)
To: SLB
The Church is clear: Voting for a pro-choice candidate is cooperation with evil. If that's not a mortal sin...
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posted on
10/29/2004 5:06:19 AM PDT
by
Rutles4Ever
("...upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.")
To: SLB
Good for this priest but I still have nothing but contempt for the Catholic church & clergy in general for pussy-footing around the abortion issue in general. When I was young the idea that the church would avoid a clear and decisive stand on such a fundamental issue of church teaching would have been unthinkable.
To take an example, compare the Catholic church's always consistent stand against Communism with the way they now waffle around the abortion issue.
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posted on
10/29/2004 5:07:20 AM PDT
by
Larry381
(The Democratic Party-Celebrating 60 years of aid and comfort to America's enemies)
To: SLB
"A lifelong Catholic"
No, this is wrong. Sounds like it should read "A lifelong cafeteria Catholic"...
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posted on
10/29/2004 5:07:32 AM PDT
by
LibSnubber
(liberal democrats are domestic terrorists)
To: Larry Lucido
Great point! I am sick and tired of it always being about a small minority. Squeaky wheel gets the grease. Especially if it is someone who disagrees with the church. The secularist media loves that.
To: SLB
I wish he was my priest. On a personal level, until a few months ago I went almost daily to Mass. My daily prayers are to the point right now that I pray I don't punch out my priest. People who I have respected for years now I look at in a whole new light. This last four years have been very hard for me.
I see a good man in our president. Kerry is the epitome of everything I don't like. I have been taught by this very same faith to always confront evil, to stand up as a man. Consider the decline in morality of the faithful, even to the point of what people wear to Mass. When our president went to visit the pope, this good Catholic boy was wondering if Bush shouldn't be scolding the pope about not fighting evil not the other way around.
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posted on
10/29/2004 5:13:27 AM PDT
by
badpacifist
(syntax what the heck is that?)
To: SLB
""There are five pre-eminent issues -- abortion, euthanasia, fetal stem-cell research, human cloning and so-called homosexual marriage,"
This isn't political. This is doctrine. To disagree is to disagree with eternity.
As I've said before, if you refuse to live by the teachings, why are you still there?
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posted on
10/29/2004 5:14:16 AM PDT
by
OpusatFR
(Let me repeat this: the web means never having to swill leftist garbage again. Got it?)
To: Rutles4Ever
I wish that in the past year the church had not had so many internal problems that they seemed to avoid. this has hurt their moral declaration on choice and voting.
every mainline church during the past 10 years has departed so much from the Word of God. They are voting by little actions to make life of a believing member, of the faith, harder and harder.
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posted on
10/29/2004 5:22:44 AM PDT
by
q_an_a
To: Larry381
Don't know where you are, but our parish and archdiocese have not pussy-footed about this at all - more like a 500 pound sabre tooth tiger when our rector gets in the pulpit.
He preached a barn burner last Sunday and laid it on the line - non-negotiable "life issues" and all. He spoke of people who claim to be Catholic but don't support the church's teachings. He didn't mention any names . . . didn't have to. As we were walking out of Mass, I met an old friend of my parents who whispered to me that it was the "Vote for Bush" sermon . . . I replied, "Shhhh . . . don't say that . . . too obvious!"
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posted on
10/29/2004 5:27:26 AM PDT
by
AnAmericanMother
(. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
To: SLB
"
A Roman Catholic pro-choice group"More minnions for my furnace!
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posted on
10/29/2004 5:32:25 AM PDT
by
airborne
(God answers all prayers. Sometimes the answer is ,"No".)
To: badpacifist
When our president went to visit the pope, this good Catholic boy was wondering if Bush shouldn't be scolding the pope about not fighting evil not the other way around. Fellow Catholic boy ditto.
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posted on
10/29/2004 5:40:56 AM PDT
by
AHerald
("Be what you is, cuz if you be what you ain't, then you ain't what you is.")
To: SLB
"Will Work for Food"
"Will Kill for Sex"
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posted on
10/29/2004 5:48:10 AM PDT
by
Fenris6
(3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
To: SLB
"There are five pre-eminent issues -- abortion, euthanasia, fetal stem-cell research, human cloning and so-called homosexual marriage," Cronkleton said. "How the candidates stand is a reason to vote for or against them." It is good not to read any nonsense about the death penalty, especially since the Vatican had one through 1969.
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posted on
10/29/2004 5:49:18 AM PDT
by
Meldrim
To: SLB
Realistically, what does the president have to do with abortion being legal or not? No matter who is elected, it won't go away.
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posted on
10/29/2004 5:53:33 AM PDT
by
stuartcr
(Neither - Nor in '04....Who ya gonna hate in '08)
To: SLB
This was part of a weasly essay in my Catholic Church Bulletin this past week. It looks like the author is looking for ways to say it is ok to vote for someone like Kerry.
In his Gospel of Life (1995) the Pope described church teaching on abortion as an infallible part of our tradition. He also reiterated the Catholic moral teaching on formal and material cooperation in evil actions. The first is always wrong; the second is not. If politicians, for example, vote for a bill favoring abortion with the intent of taking innocent life, they would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil. If they do so for some other grave reason (?!!), they would not be guilty of this formal and forbidden cooperation.
Rome,s Cardinal Ratzinger applied the same principle to voters. Voters would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil if they voted for candidates precisely because of their permissive stand on abortion. If voters do not share that view, they may vote for the candidates for other proportionate reasons. (???!!!!) Their vote would not constitute the formal cooperation in evil forbidden by the natural law.
The Task Force concluded by urging persuasion rather than penalty. The bishops, it said, must renew their efforts to teach clearly, to advocate effectively, and to engage, persuade and challenge Catholic politicians to act on the moral teaching of the Church. In sum, therefore, the bishops point to persuasion rather than penalty as the most effective way of publicly engaging the tragedy of abortion.
All I can say is, wow. That is some moral pretzel bending/hair spliting. Disgraceful. I think my pastor should be ashamed of putting that pap in our bulletin.
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posted on
10/29/2004 5:53:41 AM PDT
by
mc5cents
(Always trust your fellow man, and always cut the cards)
To: SLB
How far has Amchurch sunk if this even needs to be said? Of course voting for a pro-abort is a sin. Such a vote constitutes participation in a (gigantic) conspiracy to commit murder.
Of course it's a sin.
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posted on
10/29/2004 5:56:44 AM PDT
by
Petronski
(A Monday morning quarterback has never led any team to victory.)
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