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1 posted on 10/29/2004 4:50:14 AM PDT by SLB
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To: cpforlife.org

Ping to you.


2 posted on 10/29/2004 4:51:11 AM PDT by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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"But at least one member of the congregation dislikes being told how to vote"

So let's spend a third of the article quoting this one person.


3 posted on 10/29/2004 4:55:13 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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"Nonprofits can't get away with this by avoiding the candidate's name and using the word 'pro-life,'" said the group's president, Frances Kissling.

*Unless she repents, Frances will have eternity to chat with Satan about her interpretations of the First Ammendment

4 posted on 10/29/2004 4:58:01 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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Ah me - it can be so darn inconvenient to want to be a good Christian and then find out that it requires you to make Christian-like decisions. How dare God expect you to fight evil, even if it promises you something for nothing. Satan has a penchant for whispering in peoples' ears that he will give them lots of nice stuff for free if they only do his evil deeds. On the other hand, Democrats whisper in peoples' ears that they will give them lots of nice stuff for free if they will only support their evil deeds...
5 posted on 10/29/2004 5:00:29 AM PDT by trebb (Ain't God good . . .)
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The Church is clear: Voting for a pro-choice candidate is cooperation with evil. If that's not a mortal sin...


6 posted on 10/29/2004 5:06:19 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever ("...upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.")
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"A lifelong Catholic"

No, this is wrong. Sounds like it should read "A lifelong cafeteria Catholic"...

8 posted on 10/29/2004 5:07:32 AM PDT by LibSnubber (liberal democrats are domestic terrorists)
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I wish he was my priest. On a personal level, until a few months ago I went almost daily to Mass. My daily prayers are to the point right now that I pray I don't punch out my priest. People who I have respected for years now I look at in a whole new light. This last four years have been very hard for me.

I see a good man in our president. Kerry is the epitome of everything I don't like. I have been taught by this very same faith to always confront evil, to stand up as a man. Consider the decline in morality of the faithful, even to the point of what people wear to Mass. When our president went to visit the pope, this good Catholic boy was wondering if Bush shouldn't be scolding the pope about not fighting evil not the other way around.

10 posted on 10/29/2004 5:13:27 AM PDT by badpacifist (syntax what the heck is that?)
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""There are five pre-eminent issues -- abortion, euthanasia, fetal stem-cell research, human cloning and so-called homosexual marriage,"

This isn't political. This is doctrine. To disagree is to disagree with eternity.

As I've said before, if you refuse to live by the teachings, why are you still there?


11 posted on 10/29/2004 5:14:16 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Let me repeat this: the web means never having to swill leftist garbage again. Got it?)
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"A Roman Catholic pro-choice group"

More minnions for my furnace!

14 posted on 10/29/2004 5:32:25 AM PDT by airborne (God answers all prayers. Sometimes the answer is ,"No".)
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"Will Work for Food"

"Will Kill for Sex"


16 posted on 10/29/2004 5:48:10 AM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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"There are five pre-eminent issues -- abortion, euthanasia, fetal stem-cell research, human cloning and so-called homosexual marriage," Cronkleton said. "How the candidates stand is a reason to vote for or against them."

It is good not to read any nonsense about the death penalty, especially since the Vatican had one through 1969.

17 posted on 10/29/2004 5:49:18 AM PDT by Meldrim
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Realistically, what does the president have to do with abortion being legal or not? No matter who is elected, it won't go away.


18 posted on 10/29/2004 5:53:33 AM PDT by stuartcr (Neither - Nor in '04....Who ya gonna hate in '08)
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This was part of a weasly essay in my Catholic Church Bulletin this past week. It looks like the author is looking for ways to say it is ok to vote for someone like Kerry.
In his Gospel of Life (1995) the Pope described church teaching on abortion as an infallible part of our tradition. He also reiterated the Catholic moral teaching on formal and material cooperation in evil actions. The first is always wrong; the second is not. If politicians, for example, vote for a bill favoring abortion with the intent of taking innocent life, they would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil. If they do so for some other grave reason (?!!), they would not be guilty of this formal and forbidden cooperation.
Rome,’s Cardinal Ratzinger applied the same principle to voters. Voters would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil if they voted for candidates precisely because of their permissive stand on abortion. If voters do not share that view, they may vote for the candidates for other proportionate reasons. (???!!!!) Their vote would not constitute the formal cooperation in evil forbidden by the natural law.
The Task Force concluded by urging persuasion rather than penalty. The bishops, it said, must renew their efforts “to teach clearly, to advocate effectively, and to engage, persuade and challenge Catholic politicians to act on the moral teaching of the Church.” In sum, therefore, the bishops point to persuasion rather than penalty as the most effective way of publicly engaging the tragedy of abortion.
All I can say is, wow. That is some moral pretzel bending/hair spliting. Disgraceful. I think my pastor should be ashamed of putting that pap in our bulletin.
19 posted on 10/29/2004 5:53:41 AM PDT by mc5cents (Always trust your fellow man, and always cut the cards)
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How far has Amchurch sunk if this even needs to be said? Of course voting for a pro-abort is a sin. Such a vote constitutes participation in a (gigantic) conspiracy to commit murder.


Of course it's a sin.


20 posted on 10/29/2004 5:56:44 AM PDT by Petronski (A Monday morning quarterback has never led any team to victory.)
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A Roman Catholic pro-choice group based in Washington, D.C., Catholics for a Free Choice,

Oxymoron...they are not Catholic.

26 posted on 10/29/2004 6:23:15 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" - Hillary Clinton)
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"If they say you cannot vote pro-choice, that is a statement of opposition, and that is illegal."

Just wait: If John Kerry is elected, within about ten years it will become a Hate Crime to teach traditional Christian morality. Sound ridiculous? Who would have guessed how far down the PC road we have gone in the past ten years.

27 posted on 10/29/2004 6:24:46 AM PDT by madprof98
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They're actually putting their personal feelings on our religion," she said. "I don't think we should be judged on the personal feelings of a priest."

I don't think she gets it...The priest isn't stating his personal feelings. He is stating what God says in the Bible. These people think they can go to church on Sunday and not live their faith through the week. They may be surprised when they stand before God..A priest or pastor is a teacher of the gospel. He would be derelict (sp) if he didn't preach his understanding of the Bible.


29 posted on 10/29/2004 6:59:07 AM PDT by queenkathy
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"...but I also don't support going over and bombing and blowing up families either." "

Amazing how really thick and dumb some people are.

31 posted on 10/29/2004 7:02:06 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: Maeve; NYer; Salvation

Pinging .... a real Catholic priest


33 posted on 10/29/2004 7:30:13 AM PDT by Siobhan (Pray without ceasing.)
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This has always been the Church's position when the choice is between a pro-life and a pro-abortion candidate.


42 posted on 10/29/2004 8:12:01 AM PDT by CWW (Only a few days remaining -- get the vote out folks!!)
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