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Scientists zero in on why time flows in one direction
eurekalert/University of Chicago ^ | 26-Oct-2004 | Steve Koppes

Posted on 10/26/2004 7:36:36 PM PDT by ckilmer

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Contact: Steve Koppes skoppes@uchicago.edu 773-702-8366 University of Chicago

Scientists zero in on why time flows in one direction The big bang could be a normal event in the natural evolution of the universe that will happen repeatedly over incredibly vast time scales as the universe expands, empties out and cools off, according to two University of Chicago physicists. "We like to say that the big bang is nothing special in the history of our universe," said Sean Carroll, an Assistant Professor in Physics at the University of Chicago. Carroll and University of Chicago graduate student Jennifer Chen are scheduled to post a paper describing their ideas at http://arxiv.org/ Thursday evening.

Carroll and Chen's research addresses two ambitious questions: why does time flow in only one direction, and could the big bang have arisen from an energy fluctuation in empty space that conforms to the known laws of physics?

The question about the arrow of time has vexed physicists for a century because "for the most part the fundamental laws of physics don't distinguish between past and future. They're time-symmetric," Carroll said.

And closely bound to the issue of time is the concept of entropy, a measure of disorder in the universe. As physicist Ludwig Boltzmann showed a century ago, entropy naturally increases with time. "You can turn an egg into an omelet, but not an omelet into an egg," Carroll said.

But the mystery remains as to why entropy was low in the universe to begin with. The difficulty of that question has long bothered scientists, who most often simply leave it as a puzzle to answer in the future. Carroll and Chen have made an attempt to answer it now.

Previous researchers have approached questions about the big bang with the assumption that entropy in the universe is finite. Carroll and Chen take the opposite approach. "We're postulating that the entropy of the universe is infinite. It could always increase," Chen said.

To successfully explain why the universe looks as it does today, both approaches must accommodate a process called inflation, which is an extension of the big bang theory. Astrophysicists invented inflation theory so that they could explain the universe as it appears today. According to inflation, the universe underwent a period of massive expansion in a fraction of a second after the big bang.

But there's a problem with that scenario: a "skeleton in the closet," Carroll said. To begin inflation, the universe would have encompassed a microscopically tiny patch in an extremely unlikely configuration, not what scientists would expect from a randomly chosen initial condition. Carroll and Chen argue that a generic initial condition is actually likely to resemble cold, empty space-not an obviously favorable starting point for the onset of inflation.

In a universe of finite entropy, some scientists have proposed that a random fluctuation could trigger inflation. This, however, would require the molecules of the universe to fluctuate from a high-entropy state into one of low entropy-a statistical longshot.

"The conditions necessary for inflation are not that easy to start," Carroll said. "There's an argument that it's easier just to have our universe appear from a random fluctuation than to have inflation begin from a random fluctuation."

Carroll and Chen's scenario of infinite entropy is inspired by the finding in 1998 that the universe will expand forever because of a mysterious force called "dark energy." Under these conditions, the natural configuration of the universe is one that is almost empty. "In our current universe, the entropy is growing and the universe is expanding and becoming emptier," Carroll said.

But even empty space has faint traces of energy that fluctuate on the subatomic scale. As suggested previously by Jaume Garriga of Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona and Alexander Vilenkin of Tufts University, these flucuations can generate their own big bangs in tiny areas of the universe, widely separated in time and space. Carroll and Chen extend this idea in dramatic fashion, suggesting that inflation could start "in reverse" in the distant past of our universe, so that time could appear to run backwards (from our perspective) to observers far in our past.

Regardless of the direction they run in, the new universes created in these big bangs will continue the process of increasing entropy. In this never-ending cycle, the universe never achieves equilibrium. If it did achieve equilibrium, nothing would ever happen. There would be no arrow of time.

"There's no state you can go to that is maximal entropy. You can always increase the entropy more by creating a new universe and allowing it to expand and cool off," Carroll explained.

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To: Fester Chugabrew

Time is a construct. The Master of the Universe is the Superset, Time is a Subset. The Master of the Universe is beyond time.


181 posted on 10/26/2004 9:24:37 PM PDT by Bandaneira (The Third Temple/House for All Nations/World Peace Centre...Coming Soon...)
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To: right way right

Emit


182 posted on 10/26/2004 9:28:38 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Cogadh na Sith
But if it can be violated, it is not an absolute.

Wow, ya think?

183 posted on 10/26/2004 9:29:28 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: xzins; timestax; betty boop; P-Marlowe
Thank y'all for the pings, xzins and timestax!

My first reaction is that their solution is only considers high energy particle physics and not geometric physics.

Even one extra temporal dimension eliminates physical causality in our four dimension block (3 spatial, 1 temporal).

184 posted on 10/26/2004 9:30:12 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Doctor Stochastic

You suck. I spit beer on my monitor.


185 posted on 10/26/2004 9:30:21 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (--Scots Gaelic: 'War or Peace'--)
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To: bentfeather; January24th
Oh did I tell you, I am caught in a time warp?

Yes, Dear. I know that.

You had a 20th Century surge to be respected. Probably affected the charts of noted scientists and fashionable reconteurs world wide!

I know you had a habit of good hats. I've always guessed red and purple, but that's just me.

186 posted on 10/26/2004 9:31:12 PM PDT by Camachee
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To: Bandaneira
The Master of the Universe

That was my favorite cartoon!

187 posted on 10/26/2004 9:31:45 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (--Scots Gaelic: 'War or Peace'--)
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To: Age of Reason
Then they aren't looking small enough.

The asymmetry is real. If it "comes from" something smaller, that smaller thing must encompass at least that asymmetry.

188 posted on 10/26/2004 9:32:38 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: right way right
Anyone know what the opposite of time is?

I can offer this: the absence of time is null. IOW, without time, there is no space, ergo no matter, energy, etc.

189 posted on 10/26/2004 9:33:46 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Cogadh na Sith

So you did emit beer orally. (Aren't science threads wonderful?)


190 posted on 10/26/2004 9:34:39 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Auuughhhh!

Better than the opposite of orally. (I don't mean yllaro, either)

191 posted on 10/26/2004 9:36:28 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (--Scots Gaelic: 'War or Peace'--)
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To: ckilmer

bump


192 posted on 10/26/2004 9:37:22 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: Alamo-Girl

Did time exist before the Big Bang ? if not, how then the Big Bang ?


193 posted on 10/26/2004 9:39:51 PM PDT by CheezyChesster (Patiently waiting Kerry's Big Bang Bust !)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Lordy. I leave for a little while (I think) and it's still going. :)

The whole idea that things only exist if we observe them...kinda related to Schrodinger, I think...intrigues me. Reminds me of the boy in MYSTERY MEN who could make himself invisible...but only when no one was looking at him. :)

194 posted on 10/26/2004 9:43:11 PM PDT by TheBigB (Please Lord...let Bush win and I promise...no naughty thoughts about Lindsay Lohan for a week.)
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To: scripter

ping


195 posted on 10/26/2004 9:43:24 PM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: TheBigB

Like looking for time in a timestax, like a needle in a haystack


196 posted on 10/26/2004 9:48:44 PM PDT by timestax
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To: the irate magistrate

pinging


197 posted on 10/26/2004 9:49:44 PM PDT by timestax
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To: CheezyChesster; betty boop; xzins; P-Marlowe
Thank you for your question!

Did time exist before the Big Bang ? if not, how then the Big Bang ?

Time cannot precede the big bang for the same reason there is no "south" of the south pole. Time is a transformation of space in relativity (Lorentz Transformation) - it is relative. Hawking proposes an alternative model for the beginning of real time by using imaginary time - basically, the need for an explanation is the loss of information in a black hole or singularity. IOW, how to explain the unreasonable effectiveness of math, the physical constants, etc.

Neverthess, all cosmologies - whether big bang, imaginary time, multi-verse, ekpyrotic, cyclic, multi-worlds - all of them require a beginning. And that is the issue which invariably puts them in the domain of theology, as the Scriptures say "In the beginning, God created ..."

As Jastrow said (paraphrased) when the scientists climb that final mountain they'll be met by a bunch of theologians who have been waiting for them, for centuries.

198 posted on 10/26/2004 9:56:41 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: ckilmer

Time can be sped up by using the mind alone. That is why when you are running you can run for an hour an it feels like 20 minutes or do stair climber for 30 minutes and it feels like an hour. But it is always forward.


199 posted on 10/26/2004 10:05:07 PM PDT by Porterville (NEED SOME WOOD?)
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To: ckilmer; Alamo-Girl
You can always increase the entropy more by creating a new universe and allowing it to expand and cool off," Carroll explained.

So, all I have to do is create a new universe to increase entropy. Some things are just so gosh-darn simple it's a wonder they weren't thought of sooner. Let's see, for tomorrow's to-do list:

1. Feed the fish.
2. Pick up the kids from school.
3. Create new universe (in order to prove new theory correct...)

200 posted on 10/26/2004 10:05:08 PM PDT by Ronzo (GOD alone is enough.)
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