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To: Bogolyubski
**If you arrest, prosecute, and jail those who HIRE illegals - which is a direct violation of Federal law, much of the problem would resolve itself. If all welfare benefits, free medical care, education, etc. had a proof of citizenship or valid Green Card requirement, it would also go a long way to reversing the flow.**

No it won't. No it won't.

What will happen is that your chicken will now cost you close to $4 a pound because cheap labor is no longer abundant. And chicken wouldn't be the only thing that goes up. Orange juice for $6 a carton "on sale" and fruit $7 a pound.

It's the migrant worker, the undocumented immigrant who are keeping OUR prices low. They have no papers. They're treated by SOME employers as 'expendable' help. So they get histoplasmosis from sweeping up chicken poop and later get cancer. Big deal. They have no 'rights' here; they can't get medical help in many States. So they have two choices: stay in the USofA and die or go home to Mexico and die. If they apply for Food Stamps, the undocumented immigrants in the family are reported to INS/HS and can be deported.

WHAT would YOU do if the roles were reversed? Would you not want MORE for your family?

I know, I sound like a 'bleeding heart liberal' -- I prefer "Generous Christ-like-one" if you will. It's a What Would Jesus Do moment.

Safety for the Nation balanced with Humanity for others. It's not an easy situation to resolve. If it were, it would already have been.

So, email the President with your workable ideas. And spend a lot of time praying for him to make the best decision for the Nation.

+Pace e Bene+
77 posted on 10/22/2004 6:15:01 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (Told ya I was Highly Opinionated. Am I proving it yet?)
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To: HighlyOpinionated
So, email the President with your workable ideas.

I think this is a great idea. People like to get on here and ventilate, but they have no constructive suggestions to what is a genuine problem. If you have them, show them.

81 posted on 10/22/2004 7:28:32 PM PDT by livius
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To: HighlyOpinionated

"What will happen is that your chicken will now cost you close to $4 a pound because cheap labor is no longer abundant. And chicken wouldn't be the only thing that goes up. Orange juice for $6 a carton "on sale" and fruit $7 a pound."

If these things cost more people will either pay it or not, and if they don't then these business should fold. So be it, this is what is supposed to happen in a capitalist country, we are not a socialist country, cheep labor should not be subsidized by tax payers and the middle class.

We are not a slave country either, this issue was settled after the civil war, cheep labor should not be plagiarized.

what is it about these concepts of capitalism and human dignity that our nation does not understand or have forgotten?


89 posted on 10/22/2004 8:34:16 PM PDT by seastay
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To: HighlyOpinionated
It's the migrant worker, the undocumented immigrant who are keeping OUR prices low.

Bull sh*t. You think these corrupt, greedy, criminal employers are passing on their profits from hiring illegal aliens to you and me?

LOL! No one is this stupid.

90 posted on 10/22/2004 8:44:23 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: HighlyOpinionated

Your support of lawlessness has no basis in Christian scripture or tradition. Don't try and hide behind this with the cloak of Christianity. Read Romans 13:1-7 if you don't believe me. Mexico, BTW, is a strictly secularist country with very strict immigration laws. The majority of those crossing our borders are agnostic as it is. The "illegal Mexicans are social conservatives spin" is bogus. Read George Barna's data if you don't believe me (the imported Mexican underclass are big supporters of abortion and sexual immorality - perfect Democrat voters, and they'll be voting in great number thanks to Republican Kool-Aid policies.) You might also try reading Allan Wall, an American who is married to a Mexican woman who lived in Mexico before being sent to Iraq as part of his Texas National Guard unit. Another common lie is the assimilation myth. There is no assimilation with welfare and multiculturalism. They only "assimilate" to a lawless, degenerate gang culture. Take a look at Heather MacDonald's article on life in LA for a true picture.

Those who want to enter this country should do what Michelle Malkin's parents did: Obtain a green card and become naturalized citizens. Malkin is of Philipino ancestry but she is pure American in heart - something that doesn't take place with illegals who listen to the endless Marxist propaganda from MEChA, LaRaza-reconquista, and other multiculturalist traitors. Your $4.00-lb Chicken argument is spurious. Robotic technology is far more advanced in Japan, a mono-racial society with no immigration, than here. If the plantation-owners were busted and made to obey law like the rest of us peons, they'd have to invest in hi-tech robotics to reduce their fearsome labor costs. The cheap labor agrument isn't substantially different than that used by slave owners in the 1850s.


107 posted on 10/23/2004 1:54:03 AM PDT by Bogolyubski
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To: HighlyOpinionated
What will happen is that your chicken will now cost you close to $4 a pound because cheap labor is no longer abundant. And chicken wouldn't be the only thing that goes up. Orange juice for $6 a carton "on sale" and fruit $7 a pound.

The cheap labor argument kind of falls apart --- for one it's not so cheap for the taxpayers who must support the children of a $4 an hour worker --- to the tune of $10,000 per year per child --- there are often 8 to 10 children --- then you have the free health care which must be given to them, and the government housing subsidies because the parent can't rent anything making just $4 an hour for seasonal work.

122 posted on 10/23/2004 7:56:12 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: HighlyOpinionated

Regarding your post #77. Don't be silly. Everyones "chicken" already costs $4.00 a pound. We pay for our "chicken" through higher taxes, to support illegals in schools, welfare, food stamps, housing, hospitalization.

Your arument isn't even CLOSE to being based on reality.

Nice try though....


133 posted on 10/23/2004 12:27:30 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: HighlyOpinionated
What will happen is that your chicken will now cost you close to $4 a pound because cheap labor is no longer abundant. And chicken wouldn't be the only thing that goes up. Orange juice for $6 a carton "on sale" and fruit $7 a pound.

You obviously know nothing about economics. Please, take an introductory course on economics before you make any more ignorant statements on the subject.

147 posted on 10/23/2004 11:56:36 PM PDT by usadave
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To: HighlyOpinionated
It's the migrant worker, the undocumented immigrant who are keeping OUR prices low.

Not living oin a state that borders Mexico, you might not get this. Our prices are not low. We pay through the ass in taxes for the health care for illegals. ER's are being shut down because hospitals cannot afford to keep running them as clinics for illegals. We pay for the welfare and education of their anchor babies. We should bleed out tax-wise so you can have cheap lettuce?

That said, I am still voting for Bush, though I will not nod my head like a robot and think everything he does is ok.

154 posted on 10/25/2004 10:55:43 AM PDT by Bella_Bru (It's for the children = It takes a village)
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