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1 posted on 10/20/2004 5:40:05 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: ShadowAce; Missouri

Missouri, do we know anything about this?


2 posted on 10/20/2004 5:41:20 AM PDT by Bahbah (Proud member of the pajamahadeen)
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To: ShadowAce

Unfortunately, that seems to be going on elsewhere, too.


3 posted on 10/20/2004 5:42:11 AM PDT by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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I have been trying to follow the fraud thing as closely as I can. On here the consensus is that at most it could be 1.5/2.0% nationwide. If that estimate holds true, we are o.k. but if it doesn't....
4 posted on 10/20/2004 5:42:23 AM PDT by keysguy (Trust the media as far as you can throw them)
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KerrySpot at National Review Online is reporting that there are more registered voters in Philadelphia than are eligible too. The fraud is pervasive nationwide. We're becoming a banana republic.


8 posted on 10/20/2004 5:46:37 AM PDT by peyton randolph (tag...you're it.)
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They talked about this on KSDK channel 5 here in St. Louis last night. They said that about a third of the counties in Missouri have more voters registered than they do citizens of voting age. The problem is particulary bad in big counties like St. Louis county and St. Louis City. While there may be some fraud, they said the primary reason for this is that it takes more than four years for people who have moved to be purged from the voter list. In the more populous counties, people are more likely to move more frequently than in rural counties. As a result you have people registered to vote in more than one location. I believe they said the reason these people couldnt be removed more quickly was Federal law.


17 posted on 10/20/2004 5:57:23 AM PDT by Dave S
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It's speculation, to some point at this time, without the actual census numbers and voter registration results from each county (in OH, FL, MI, WI, NY, PA, ... etc.).

A reasonable assumption, no doubt, since massive registration HAS absolutely occurred.

But, of course, it's democrat fraud, and the MSM won't investigate nor print the results!


18 posted on 10/20/2004 5:57:40 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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Don't know what the elegible voter number is.... but the SOS web site list some 3,511,894 registered voters as of the August Primary which is less than the General Elections of 2000 and 2002..... thus they would have to have had some 600,000 additional registrations to get to the 4.1 million you cite.... maybe they have.....

http://www.sos.mo.gov/elections/registeredvoters.asp?rvmID=0004


19 posted on 10/20/2004 5:58:01 AM PDT by deport (Texas...... Early Voting in person Oct. 18 thru Oct 29..... vote early and take someone with you)
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In the Florida Keys, I have to show a photyo ID to vote. I don't understand why this is not a national standard.


20 posted on 10/20/2004 5:58:12 AM PDT by jsh3180
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I dont believe they said 4.1 million more voters registered. I think that was the total of either registerd voters or voting age citizens. I remember them quoting two numbers, 4.1 and 4.3 million. I believe what they said was Missouri had 4.1 million voters and 4.3 million people in the voting age population.


21 posted on 10/20/2004 5:59:02 AM PDT by Dave S
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I'm hearing that in Rock Island County/Illinois there is an inordinate number of absentee ballots. That would be a very easy bit of fraudulent activity, don't you think?


22 posted on 10/20/2004 5:59:27 AM PDT by sarasota
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It may not be as bad as you think.

The voter registry is a national disgrace. Theoretically, one is only supposed to be registered in one location, but the simple fact of the matter is that people move. Within the county, communication is unneeded. Within a state, communication is somewhat better, although there was a point in time in 2000 when I was registered in two counties (I only voted once, though....) because the one county never bothered to pass along to the other that I had registered there.

It might not be fraud -- equally likely is the breakdown in the system.

Personally, I want a national voter registry/photo ID card.

23 posted on 10/20/2004 5:59:59 AM PDT by jude24 (sola gratia)
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The problem is that people are paid to collect registrations. The more people you register, the more money you make. This is an invitation to fraud.


26 posted on 10/20/2004 6:01:58 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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I heard that also. They also said that due to the frequent moving of people, it can take up to 4 years to purge a voter from the rolls. Often people are registered twice, but for the most part they only vote once if at all.

Also said that the database containing voter registration can not do any matching to find duplicate voters.

My take - If they required a drivers license number stored in the voter registration database, finding duplicates would be extremely easy to do.

If I was an evil dem, I would keep all of the returned voter notifications returned as "no longer at this address" and provide the names to democratic operatives to manufacture votes that match up with the voter lists at each precinct.


27 posted on 10/20/2004 6:02:46 AM PDT by listenhillary (We are defending the peace by taking the fight to the enemy.GWB)
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It isn't "fraud". Its the effect of Cliton's Motor-Voter delaying purges of voting rolls. Here in Philadelphia, for example, we once again have more registered voters than eligible voters. But the voter registration office is also aware that 15% of the registrations (150,000) are stale, and they will purge them at the first legal opportunity after this election. Depending on who actually turns out as well, another 100-200,000 will be purged in 2006 after the next mid-term elections.


29 posted on 10/20/2004 6:09:14 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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National ID should be required. We have passed the point of trying to have elections without fraud. The problem, if we have national ID, is in order for it to work there must be a national data bank to make sure one person, one vote. Could this possible be linked to the Social Security data bank? Everyone born in the US should have a Social Security number and should be no abuse since the system is in place.
35 posted on 10/20/2004 6:31:02 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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The figure seems in the ballpark. In 2000, approx 2.3 million voted with a voter turnout of almost 60%. Given population increases, it is plausible that 4.1 million have registered, but that would mean that almost everyone eligible has registered. Missouri has a population (2003) of 5.7 million.


37 posted on 10/20/2004 6:48:51 AM PDT by kabar
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In Colorado Donnetta Davison last week said there may be as much as 30% fraudulent registrations here.

In Philadelphia in the last election several districts voted 100% for Gore where the historical turn out for those districts was less that 50% of eligible voters.

The left wing is a wounded animal and the level of desperation they will go to is bounded by nothing. They are more dangerous than they have ever been. I would not be surprised to see outright violence at the polls given the willingness of the unions and their thugs to behave like brownshirted nazis.


38 posted on 10/20/2004 6:49:06 AM PDT by Pylot
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People in St. Louis and Kansas City are allowed to vote twice.

Everybody knows that.

40 posted on 10/20/2004 6:58:33 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (I actually voted for John Kerry, before I voted against him.)
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Is anybody doing anything about this?


43 posted on 10/20/2004 7:11:12 AM PDT by Cinnamon Girl
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Doesn't the show me state say, show me your I.D. at your registered polling place?


44 posted on 10/20/2004 7:22:25 AM PDT by badpacifist
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