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Jimmy Carter: Like Iraq The Revolutionary War Was Unnecessary!
Harball 10/18/04

Posted on 10/19/2004 7:04:03 PM PDT by notkerry

MATTHEWS: Let me ask you the question about—this is going to cause some trouble with people—but as an historian now and studying the Revolutionary War as it was fought out in the South in those last years of the War, insurgency against a powerful British force, do you see any parallels between the fighting that we did on our side and the fighting that is going on in Iraq today?

CARTER: Well, one parallel is that the Revolutionary War, more than any other war up until recently, has been the most bloody war we‘ve fought. I think another parallel is that in some ways the Revolutionary War could have been avoided. It was an unnecessary war.

Had the British Parliament been a little more sensitive to the colonial‘s really legitimate complaints and requests the war could have been avoided completely, and of course now we would have been a free country now as is Canada and India and Australia, having gotten our independence in a nonviolent way.

I think in many ways the British were very misled in going to war against America and in trying to enforce their will on people who were quite different from them at the time.

For Transcript See http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6281085/


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
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To: dfdemar

Thank you for correcting this glaring mistake by Jimmy Carter. The Civil War was indeed the bloodiest war in American history.


81 posted on 10/19/2004 7:50:26 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: Strategerist
I think that the world is a far better place because the Brit didn't reach an accommodation with the colonies and the United States came into being. That being said, Carter is right. (I'm certain I've never uttered those words before.) The Brits could have avoided the war easily, but they were cursed with a hard headed Hun for a King and ministers who managed to come across as both weak (with all the accommodations they did make) and mean (with all the new outrages they dreamed up every time they had almost placated the colonies by their accommodations.)

You've got to say this for the Brits -- they learned their lesson. They never had another major uprising by an European, English speaking colony.

82 posted on 10/19/2004 7:51:12 PM PDT by Pilsner
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To: notkerry
Jimmy's unparrallelled bloody violence against a poor, drowning rabbit was, in retrospect, an unnecessary act..

If Jimmy had just been a little more sensitive to the rabbit's situation (swimming) and complaints ( it was swimming, for God's sake ! ) the beating he gave it with that oar would not have had to take place.. and subsequent rationalizations that the rabbit was "attacking" him would not have been necessary..

83 posted on 10/19/2004 7:51:43 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Vicomte13
Spilt blood has ALWAYS been measured in terms of volume, not percentage. As it should; it's a liquid.

By that standard, the Civil War wins hands down. By your logic, a duel common to the time is the most bloody; if both combatants hit each other, the spilt blood stat is 100%.

84 posted on 10/19/2004 7:53:01 PM PDT by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: pop-aye; cmotormac44

I wondered if the term, 'annals of history', was correct in this circumstance.

You both set me straight, one right after the other!

ROTFL


85 posted on 10/19/2004 7:53:25 PM PDT by mplsconservative (Old media = lies. New media = truth.)
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To: KevinDavis
How in the hell did this person get elected to be President.. What a dolt!.

Remember when Ford denied the Communist dominated areas of Europe like Poland during the debate in 1976...that's a big reason why we had Carter.

86 posted on 10/19/2004 7:54:57 PM PDT by paltz
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To: notkerry

Nonviolent, negotiated peace has NEVER done anything positive for mankind. It has ALWAYS led to a more blood battle later on than would have been necessary.


87 posted on 10/19/2004 7:55:25 PM PDT by Egon (If Kerry had been right about screwed-up returning vets, he wouldn't have lived to see 1975!)
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To: Vicomte13
Your numbers aren't even close. The total number of casualties (dead and wounded) in the Revolutionary War was about 10,000 (4,400 deaths). The 1790 Census (the first Census) recorded about 3.9 million Americans. So slightly more than 0.2 percent of the population was killed or wounded in the Revolution. If 16 percent of the population were casualties, that would mean that the population at the time of the Revolution could have only been about 63,000 or so. Impossible for the population to grow from 63,000 to just under 4 million in just over a decade.

In contrast, just under 1 million people (Union and Confederate) were casualties of the Civil War. The US population then was about 34 million. So about three percent of the population was killed or wounded in that conflict, an increase of an order of magnitude over the percentages for the American Revolution.

Source

88 posted on 10/19/2004 7:56:02 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC
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To: notkerry

Now young people can understand how the Islam-fascist seeds were sown, when the Ayatollah was allowed to return to Iran from France in 1979. Carter is the worst President of the 20th century.

That how this lunacy began.


89 posted on 10/19/2004 7:57:48 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er ({about the news media} "We'll tell you any sh** you want hear" : Howard Beale --> NETWORK)
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To: notkerry

I have sent this to Drudge. Hope he puts it on his webpage and exposes Jimmuh's dementia!


90 posted on 10/19/2004 8:00:12 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (These Commies are ruining our country...........WAKE UP AMERICA BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE)
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To: notkerry

yeah Jimmah.. America would be a popcorn fart like Canada and we'd all be speaking German by now.. England did'nt beat the Germans WE DID... TWICE...


91 posted on 10/19/2004 8:01:33 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: RAY

If Carter had his way, we wouldn't be a country at all. We'd be subjugated to the Euro socialist world government crowd.


92 posted on 10/19/2004 8:05:35 PM PDT by Wolfstar (America's enemies, both here and overseas, just love John Kerry.)
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To: notkerry

Jimmah Cahter is an idiot!! Come on! This has to be a joke!


93 posted on 10/19/2004 8:07:44 PM PDT by rejoicing (F)
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To: notkerry
Actually, I have to agree with Carter's statements.
It was the 'indifference' of the Parliament that drove the colonists away. Just read Edmund Burke's writings to get an idea of why.
94 posted on 10/19/2004 8:12:05 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: Strategerist
2) Nothing he said is really out of line historically. As has been pointed out, it was the bloodiest American war as % deaths of the (very small) population back then.

I am not sure how you get this. The recognized number for battle deaths in the Revolutionary War was 4,435; the population was 2.1 million in 1770 (some sources use 2.2 million), which gives about 0.002, or two battle deaths per 1,000 citizens. Total casualties were 10,623, or 0.005, equalling 5 casualties per 1000 people.

The recognized number for battle deaths in the War Between the States is 184,594 from a population of 31,000,000 in 1860, which gives 0.006, or 6 battle deaths per 1,000 citizens. Total casualties were 970,227, or 0.031, equalling 31 casualties per 1000 people.

The only percentage that I can think that was higher in the Revolutionary War was that 40% of our total casualties were deaths, unlike the War Between the States where it was in the range of 20%.

Here is a page that seems to have its numbers correct on a cursory look.

95 posted on 10/19/2004 8:12:26 PM PDT by snowsislander
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To: notkerry
Oh my goodness - the hits keep on coming! LOL!

Look at my tagline...

I am 45 years old. I vividly remember the horrible shape this country was in win Carter was President and how impotent he was. People were making fun of the US all over the world, we were a paper tiger, and it encouraged a nation like Iran to go into our embassy and take it over. We watched impotently as our fellow citizens were made a mockery to the world.

IMO Jimmy Carter was probably the worst President in our history...by a wide margin...

Then came Reagan...

96 posted on 10/19/2004 8:12:40 PM PDT by Danno (the Dems have poop in their pants...)
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To: SE Mom

This is true. The reason we fought was because the British were taxing us but not allowing us to have representation in Parliment. They ignored that and eventually we got fed up and declared our independence. Worked out better that looney George couldn't see the forest for the trees and thought of us as slaves.

Bloodiest wars - 50,000 wounded or killed in three days at Gettysburg. 400,000 in WWII, 54,000 in Vietnam.

This guy is a real idiot.

I remember the high unemployment - oil embargo when we could only fill up on odd or even days - high deficit - mortgages around 14 or 15% - credit card rates in low 20%'s - and then the hostage taking. If we had immediately responded we would not be where we are today.

Of course in Clinton had responded in the 90's we wouldn't be where we are today.


97 posted on 10/19/2004 8:12:57 PM PDT by mombrown1
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To: notkerry

My God, considering the man is from freaking GEORGIA, you'd think he'd remember just how bloody the Recent Unpleasantness (aka The War of Northern Aggression) was. Chickamauga, Atlanta, Sherman's March to the Sea? Hello, Jimmah? Six hundred thousand dead, you sorry-assed excuse for a human being!

Idjit.

}:-)4


98 posted on 10/19/2004 8:15:37 PM PDT by Moose4 ("That was beautiful. Now never, ever, do it again.")
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To: mombrown1

Yes and remember inflation was at like 22 percent? If memory serves me right the mortgage rates actually went up to 18-22 percent - I was a Realtor near that time...


99 posted on 10/19/2004 8:15:51 PM PDT by Danno (the Dems have poop in their pants...)
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To: notkerry

Jimmy Carter was unnecessary.


100 posted on 10/19/2004 9:20:53 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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