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Scientists ponder the problem with gravity
Space COM ^ | October 18, 2004 | Robert Roy Britt

Posted on 10/18/2004 12:27:05 PM PDT by roaddog727

Imagine the weight of a nagging suspicion that what held your world together, a constant and consistent presence you had come to understand and rely on, wasn't what it seemed. That's how scientists feel when they ponder gravity these days.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gravitas; gravity; physics; pioneeranomaly; science; scientists; solarsystem; space
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To: PatrickHenry
Anyway, I'm not aware of any reason why the solar system's plane, which corresponds to the sun's equator (if that's the term) needs to be in the same plane as the galaxy's disk.

It is not. See my previous post. :-)

81 posted on 10/18/2004 8:11:55 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Cooltouch
I have a question about gravity: are gravity 'waves' constrained by "c", i.e., the speed of light?

Gravity waves should move at the speed of light.

See:

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/GR/grav_speed.html

82 posted on 10/18/2004 8:17:11 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: LogicWings

I love this thread. Conjecture about that which nobody can know. Ain't enough info for anybody to draw a conclusion about anything, but everybody has an opinion. What is that old saying? Ne'er mind.


83 posted on 10/18/2004 8:40:08 PM PDT by LogicWings
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To: Spok
No but he's got a law suit against it. he subpoenaed the sun and the moon and several planets, but Gods pleading the 5th!
84 posted on 10/18/2004 8:47:38 PM PDT by KingNo155
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To: LogicWings
I love this thread. Conjecture about that which nobody can know

Nobody can know? Ever? That seems wrong on so many levels. Not know now, but then 102 years ago everybody knew that it was impossible to fly too.

85 posted on 10/18/2004 8:51:50 PM PDT by lafroste (gravity is not a force, dangit)
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To: roaddog727

Gravity = pizza + beer + football


86 posted on 10/18/2004 8:54:22 PM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: RadioAstronomer; PatrickHenry
Actually, the Galactic plane is almost 60 degrees offset from our equatorial plane which is offset by 23.5 degrees from our orbit plane.

So does that mean that our orbital plane is offset from the galactic plane by 36.5 degrees or 83.5 degrees? The Earth's equitorial plane should not matter.

Thanks for the information.

87 posted on 10/18/2004 8:58:50 PM PDT by lafroste (gravity is not a force, dangit)
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To: hershey

Gravity gets me down.


88 posted on 10/18/2004 9:03:12 PM PDT by MohawkDrums
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping!


89 posted on 10/18/2004 9:03:20 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: RadioAstronomer
Actually, the Galactic plane is almost 60 degrees offset from our equatorial plane which is offset by 23.5 degrees from our orbit plane.

I'm just thankful that this all happens in three dimensions instead of two. Otherwise we'd really be all squished up. Lucky us.

90 posted on 10/18/2004 9:11:10 PM PDT by Ramius (Time? What time do you think we have?)
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To: kingattax

She would have the same mass. However the gravitational forces pulling her Rotundness towards the moons surface would be 1/7 of that here on earth so roughly about 100 ft/lbs.


91 posted on 10/18/2004 9:11:27 PM PDT by Boiler Plate
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To: RadioAstronomer

I used to think that gravity was a waveform, mainly after leaving some parties in college.

Now I just think that gravity is what happens when the universe gets tired of waiting to see what will happen in the absense of any other force. It's the *dosomethingfercryinoutloud* force.

Except for Tuesdays and Thursdays when gravity is a particle, and has office hours from 2pm to 4pm.


92 posted on 10/18/2004 9:16:13 PM PDT by Ramius (Time? What time do you think we have?)
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To: MohawkDrums
Gravity gets me down.

Down, doobee doo down down?

93 posted on 10/18/2004 9:21:23 PM PDT by Ramius (Time? What time do you think we have?)
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To: DrDavid
Old Doug Adams was a very funny guy. I loved his Holistic Detective books.
94 posted on 10/18/2004 9:21:47 PM PDT by Boiler Plate
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To: roaddog727; Boiler Plate
Time for a pan-galactic-gargle-blaster, I would say...

After this election, no matter which way it comes out, I will need one or more pan-galactic-gargle-blasters!

95 posted on 10/18/2004 9:36:24 PM PDT by DrDavid (GWBush: The W-right President at the W-right time and the W-right place)
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To: DrDavid

Peter Jackson needs to do the movie.


96 posted on 10/18/2004 9:52:16 PM PDT by Boiler Plate
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To: zeugma
The best picture that I've seen of it is something like placing a bowling ball on a trampoline, then rolling marbles around it, and watch as they are pulled in...

I would like to know what the trampoline or space is made out of.


97 posted on 10/18/2004 9:59:55 PM PDT by Major_Risktaker ("Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who Threaten It.")
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To: lafroste
Have any of these Planck length black holes been detected, or are they strictly theoretical at this point?

The Planck length is 1.6E-35 meters. The approximate radius of a proton is 2E-16 meters to give you a bit of scale. The only way a Planck length black hole would interact with the rest of the universe would be through gravitation. Since its total mass is about 1E20 atomic units (a bit less than a mole of protons) the gravitational effect of one is nearly impossible to detect. They are strictly theoretical at this point.

Since they are so small, ~20 orders of magnitude smaller than a proton, there isn't much chance of them running into matter to devour. In order for PLBHs to account for dark matter there need to be on the order of 100E6 of them in the volume of the earth.

The speaker made a pretty good argument for them being created by the boatload during the inflationary period of the early universe. Sadly, we were coming to the end of the hour and he glossed over the math in order to cover the material in the time permitted. A google of Planck's Length Black Holes lists a plethora of resources. Have fun!

regards,

98 posted on 10/18/2004 10:47:14 PM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (Fnord!)
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To: lafroste; PatrickHenry

Look here:

http://www.seds.org/~spider/spider/ScholarX/coords.html


99 posted on 10/18/2004 11:10:26 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Ramius
Otherwise we'd really be all squished up. Lucky us.

LOL!

100 posted on 10/18/2004 11:11:53 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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