Congress Considering National ID Card

The American Conservative Union ^ | October 18, 2004 | aculistmanager@laptoplobbyist.com

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

You're welcome. Wanna bet Bush will sign it?

[Countyline]

Every step down the path into world government ... as evidenced by the last 30 years (or the last 65), is a step we do not pull back from; instead it is expanded, developed in areas never intended. We as a nation have moving forward on the wrong path and it is time to realize it is a dead end for freedom. Turn, turn, turn, to avoid castrophe, we are approaching quickly a dangerous peril. The loss of freedom and the enslavement of the masses by totalitarian government. It has gotten very complicated. Yet, we appear to be docilely going ahead.

The end times are sure; whether soon or not for centuries, God's Word is true, sure, absolute. We effect the time by our decisions and behavior. Obedience to God's will or blasphemy, by ignoring His commands.

We are to ... "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength" (Mark 12:30) NIV

"And the second is like, namely this, Thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none greater commandment than these." Mark 12:31

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

I'm waiting breathlessly... :-)

[Marine_Uncle]

"But nice attempt at changing the subject". No problem. You are entitled to your opinions and should posts them.
In my case I was not trying to change the subject. Only making an observation. Whether hand/head implants where ever prophiciesed I for one think it is a bad idea, because of the misuse of personal liberties it will lead to. As others have versed in this post, there are things we do not even attempt to control properly that are already in place.
Why rush into a national ID that most probably will effect honest citizens moreso then those that wish us harm.

[wku man]

From what I understand, SSNs were never supposed to be used for ID purposes other than by the Social Security Administration. Now, as many have pointed out already, it is the de facto national ID number. Don't you think it's only a matter of time 'til such power is misused by a sKerry, Hilldebeast, Dean, or even a RINO Giuliani administration?

Think about it...for convenience's sake (and when Socialized medicine finally besets us), your medical records are added to the data on the card. You have slightly high blood pressure and your doc wants you to lose 20 lbs. So your card is flagged "No ice cream, no pizza, no...". You suddenly find the checkout girl at your neighborhood Albertson's telling you you can't take home that half gallon of Rocky Road. Your card won't even accept the charge for it.

That's just a minor abuse. So you're a gun owner...your card suddenly won't let you buy ammo, cleaning supplies, more guns, etc. You're an pickup or SUV driver? You find you can't buy more than five gallons of gas at a time. Own rental property and refuse to rent to fags? You suddenly find fines deducted from your checking account every day you until you finally relent and allow the sodomites into your property. The possibilities get worse, too...

Far flung, maybe...but then again, who among us ten years ago thought faggot marriage would be legal in some parts of the nation? Who on 9-10 thought Islamic scumbags would fly jets into buildings in DC and NYC? Look at your own tagline...information is the key to control. Only it's not just information to society, it's who controls information about society. It's way too much power for government to have over us, no matter how convenient it would be.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

[Congressman Billybob]

As I told a group of state legislators from around the country, two years ago, they have only two options. 1) The states themselves will tighten up their drivers license procedures, so only people who are actually US citizens can get drivers license, OR, 2) the federal government will pass a law requiring states to get proof of citizenship before issuing licenses.

Since the states have, stupidly, not done item 1, the federal government is now doing item 2. And if you ask how can Congress force the states to shape up or ship out, they cannot do that DIRECTLY. But Congress CAN say to the states, "Do this, or we will cut off your transportation funds." There will then be a loud sucking sound, and the states will fall in line, just as they did on the 55 MPH speed limit.

And quit yer bitchin' about this being a "national ID card." It is not that. It is only a requirement that the states start closing the gaps in their laws that allowed most of the 9/11 terrorists to get state drivers licenses and even register to vote as if they were Americans.

This law will simply shut down the stupidity that lead to 3,000 Americans getting slaughtered. If you oppose that, feel free to say that it's okay when Americans get killed. But cut the cr*p about a "police state." It is no such thing.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, "Mein Fuhrer, I Can Valk!"

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

If you oppose that, feel free to say that it's okay when Americans get killed.

Oh, puh-lease! If you want to support this unconstutional power trip, be my guest, but don't you dare smear me as someone who thinks it's OK when Americans get killed! Take your vicious smear-talk to some other forum.

[Chemist_Geek]

You're making the assumption that such an expansion is inevitable. It's not, despite historical evidence. If you're going to argue against national I.D. based on the slippery slope fallacy, then you're going to have to prove that such provisions are going to be put into effect.

[Allosaurs_r_us]

So, I clicked on this link to send a "Fax" to these Senators and it is asking me for 20 bucks!

I think I can send an email for free! Since when does it cost $20 for me to contact a U.S. Senator? This is a scam!

I donate and support several poltical causes but I choose who they are. This is a blatant attempt by the ACU for contributions using national ID as a prop. Low down dirty trick. Screw the ACU! I'll send 'em an email!

[monday]

" Does this take away any of our freedoms? No. Violates our civil liberties? No."

Why is it that they have only been used by totalitarian states then? The first thing that all socialist states do to control their citizenry is issue identification papers, followed by confiscation of guns. After these two very simple simple steps, resistance is futile. Citizens become sheep. Your fate is no longer your own. It is decided by bureaucrats.

[monday]

"Whay would they? They do not do it now."

You have never heard of a sobriety checkpoint?

[monday]

"You're making the assumption that such an expansion is inevitable. It's not, despite historical evidence. "

lol.....What evidence would be good enough to convince you then? If thousands of years of governmental abuse of power is not enough to convince you, nothing is. You destiny is government servitude. baaa...baaaa

[Congressman Billybob]

You are smearing the Constitution by claiming this is unconstitutional. Congress can put whatever conditions it chooses on paying highway funds over to the states. That's all it is doing.

And do you really think it is a good idea for states to issue drivers licenses to people who may not be either citizens, or who they claim to be? In your view, the benefits of that kind of sloppiness are what? The liabilities of it are obvious.

Billybob

[monday]

"Oh, puh-lease! If you want to support this unconstitutional power trip, be my guest, but don't you dare smear me as someone who thinks it's OK when Americans get killed! Take your vicious smear-talk to some other forum."

Sad isn't it? Hard to believe this is the historical home of the brave, land of the free. These days it seems people expect the government to protect and provide for them cradle to grave.

What happened to the self reliant men who founded this country? Why have they 'mostly' disappeared after only a little more than 200 years?

[monday]

"Congress can put whatever conditions it chooses on paying highway funds over to the states. That's all it is doing."

That in itself is unconstitutional. lol....never thought I would see the day when blackmail was applauded on FR. Individual rights, states rights, freedom.... all trampled by the Federal government. Meanwhile, people like you cheer.

[Congressman Billybob]

There is a difference between behavior that is tacky and politically destructive, and that is unconstitutional. When people, or states, get addicted to money from the federal government, it has the capacity to control their behavior. It is a debility to the concept of federalism for states to sell out when Congress threatens to cut off their federal highway funds.

But when Congress threatens to do that, the Constitution is not violated. Because the states have the power -- but not the will or judgment -- to tell Congress to push off, as the Brits say.

The same situation occurs with federal aid to education. A university can avoid the restrictions placed by Congress by refusing to accept the money that comes with the strings attached. Do you understand now why such actions by Congress are constitutional?

The children's fairy tale about the Pied Piper of Hamlin explains the situation clearly, "He who pays the piper calls the tune." I'm not "cheering" anything; I'm just explaining the constitutional reality of the situation.

Billybob

[AdamSelene235]

Not until government bureaucrats start asking for it at checkpoints. Then it violates your Fourth Amendment right to be secure from unreasonable searches, as far as I'm concerned.

Silly, then the SCOTUS will simply rule them *reasonable* searches which do not require a warrant.

[EQAndyBuzz]

I think with the technology available today we can produce a card that cannot be replicated. However, I am not discounting people who will not know what a card looks like and rather than call them on it, let's it go.

[EQAndyBuzz]

That's to see if you are drunk. There are also bouncers in bars to make sure you are 21 as well as security guards in buildings to make sure you work there.

What's your point?

[EQAndyBuzz]

I find this thread amusing in that no one here wants to have a national ID card system installed yet when the ACLU complains about peoples civil rights being violated you are all up in arms about the Socialists.

Spare me the sanctimonious BS. Admit it, the issue here is not that you do not want the system. The issue here is you do not want the system in the Democrats hands so that they can then implement their Marxist/Gestapo utopian society.

Hey, I totally agree here. However without a form of control we open ourselves up to further attacks. I for one, have no trouble carrying a national ID card. I just don't want it coded with information that violates my civil rights. I do not think it is important which religion I practice, what my medical records may say or for that matter what I do for a living.

However, the card does need to be counterfeit proof. That's all I need.