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(Anglican) Church wants gay bishop apology - wants apology US church leaders ordaining gay bishop.
BBC ^ | October 18, 2004

Posted on 10/18/2004 9:56:17 AM PDT by NYer

The call was made by the Lambeth Commission, set up after the ordination of Gene Robinson threatened to split the worldwide Anglican church.

Commission chairman Irish Anglican leader Robin Eames concluded: "There remains a very real danger that we will not choose to walk together."

The report called for a moratorium on the consecration of gay candidates.

It demanded an explanation from the Anglican Church in the US, known as Episcopalian, about "how a person living in a same gender union may be considered eligible to lead the flock of Christ".

Scripture must be used to back up the explanation, it added.

'Condemnation'

Many conservative clergy believe the Bible explicitly condemns homosexuality, and African church leaders have also argued it is a strong cultural taboo in many areas on the continent.

However, the report urged all members of the church to work together, while acknowledging that serious divisions exist.

Dr Eames insisted Monday's report was not a judgment but part of an ongoing process.

There has been talk of crisis, schism and realignment - voices and declarations have portrayed a communion in crisis


Robin Eames


"It is part of a pilgrimage towards healing and reconciliation."

The report urged the 50 bishops who attended the ordination of Gene Robinson last November as Bishop of New Hampshire to apologise for their actions, but adds that they should not be expelled.

In consecrating Bishop Robinson, the report said, the Episcopal bishops had "acted in the full knowledge that very many people in the Anglican Communion could neither recognise nor receive the ministry as a bishop in the church of God of a person in an openly acknowledged same-gender union".

Dr Eames told BBC World Service's Newshour: "There could have been much more consultation before they took a step that was obviously contrary to the views of a great many Anglicans."

He added: "In a world Anglican family there are no rules, no constitution, to control our relationship with each other.

"While autonomy is important, we have to be realistic that there are certain limitations to it.

"Those limitations turn on when it affects the beliefs, the practice, the confidence of others."

'Express regret'

Conservatives, particularly in the African sections of the church, were outraged over the ordination and several broke ties with the US. Many are still demanding the suspension of the US church.

The report invited the Episcopal Church "to express its regret that the proper constraints of the bonds of affection were breached" in appointing Canon Robinson.

Until there was an apology, those who took part should consider whether to withdraw themselves from functions of the Anglican Communion, the commission said.

ANGLICAN CHURCH FACTS

70 million baptised members worldwide

38 self-governing Churches

500 dioceses, 30,000 parishes, 64,000 congregations in 164 countries

26 million members in the United Kingdom

17.5 million members in Nigeria

2.5 million members in the US

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Dr Eames said: "Since the 1970s, controversies over issues of human sexuality have become increasingly divisive and destructive throughout Christendom."

He said the ordination of Canon Robinson and the blessing of same-sex unions in Canada had uncovered "major divisions throughout the Anglican Communion".

"There has been talk of crisis, schism and realignment. Voices and declarations have portrayed a communion in crisis."

But he told Newshour: "I am confident that we will find our way through this difficulty.

"It will take immense patience, immense courage, but I do believe that there are the seeds already today for a way forward."

'Toothless'

But the Church Society branded the report "toothless" for lacking clear direction over the issue of homosexuality.

"Everyone stressed how important the communion was but not what you do when people undermine that," said the society's Reverend David Phillips.

HAVE YOUR SAY

The Church must move with the times


Alex K, London. UK


"I am pretty disappointed with this. I was expecting something much more definite and clear."

Reverend Martin Reynolds, of the Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement, praised the report's "conciliatory " tone.

"This is a document we can work with, this is a church we want to continue to be a part of. We see this as the beginning of the real debate."


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: New Hampshire; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: anglican; apology; ecusa; fallout; gaybishop; homosexualagenda; homosexualbishop; jesusnotcharliebrown; lambeth; robinson; schism

Gene Robinson became the ninth Bishop of New Hampshire
1 posted on 10/18/2004 9:56:22 AM PDT by NYer
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To: american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...
Catholic Ping - let me know if you want on/off this list


2 posted on 10/18/2004 9:57:27 AM PDT by NYer (Where Peter is, there is the Church.)
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To: scripter; little jeremiah
"Homosexual unions are totally lacking in the biological and anthropological elements of marriage and family which would be the basis, on the level of reason, for granting them legal recognition. Such unions are not able to contribute in a proper way to the procreation and survival of the human race. The possibility of using recently discovered methods of artificial reproduction, beyond involving a grave lack of respect for human dignity,(15) does nothing to alter this inadequacy."
CONSIDERATIONS REGARDING PROPOSALS TO GIVE LEGAL RECOGNITION TO UNIONS BETWEEN HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS
3 posted on 10/18/2004 9:58:57 AM PDT by NYer (Where Peter is, there is the Church.)
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To: ahadams2; newheart; 1stMarylandRegiment; AFPhys; Adler; AdrianneTruett; AnAmericanMother; ...

This is the Traditional Anglican ping list, continued in memory of its founder Arlin Adams, aka ahadams2.

FReepmail me if you want on or off this list.

Resource for Traditional Anglicans: http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com
4 posted on 10/18/2004 10:00:45 AM PDT by sionnsar (Cbs: "It's fake but true!" | Iran Azadi | Traditional Anglicans: trad-anglican.faithweb.com)
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To: NYer
ANGLICAN CHURCH FACTS ... Most computers will open PDF documents automatically, but you may need to download Adobe Acrobat Reader.

I didn't know this about the Anglican Church. This must have been from Christ's e-mail on the Mount.

5 posted on 10/18/2004 10:06:06 AM PDT by kidd
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To: NYer
ANGLICAN CHURCH FACTS ... Most computers will open PDF documents automatically, but you may need to download Adobe Acrobat Reader.

Or maybe the translation got mixed up...when Christ asks Peter if he loves him, three times, maybe the Anglican translators mixed up "Agape" with "Adobe"

6 posted on 10/18/2004 10:26:16 AM PDT by kidd
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To: NYer
Deuteronomy 22
5 A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this.
1 Corinthians 6
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Leviticus 20
13 " 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. Leviticus 18
22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
24 " 'Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled.
Romans 1
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
2 Timothy 3Godlessness in the Last Days
1But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God-- 5having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.
7 posted on 10/18/2004 10:40:55 AM PDT by Taxbilly
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To: sionnsar

Excellent post! And so true. Many do not know the history of the split in the Episcopalian Church of the past. But the traditional Anglican-Episocpalian church yet lives, thrives, and continues to grow!


8 posted on 10/18/2004 10:50:48 AM PDT by Alia
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To: NYer

>>>Reverend Martin Reynolds, of the Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement, praised the report's "conciliatory " tone.


In case it wasn't clear from the article, this tells you who won.

This document is simply buying time in hopes that conservative anger will die out over time, and like frogs in a pot of boiling water, the Anglicans will get used to it. This is pretty much what I expected from the leadership here.

patent


9 posted on 10/18/2004 11:15:07 AM PDT by patent (A baby is God's opinion that life should go on. Carl Sandburg)
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To: NYer

Ah, the good Bishop Robinson. He had the courage of his concupiscence.


10 posted on 10/18/2004 12:41:27 PM PDT by pasquale (He governs best who governs least.)
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To: NYer

Yet more controversy regarding The Gay Gene.


11 posted on 10/18/2004 12:44:59 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

ANd thus a great communion dissolves into meaninglessness.

We will pray for our brain-dead, lamented and lost brethren.


12 posted on 10/18/2004 2:28:59 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (Having a human friend is no bed of roses)
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To: NYer

Having been a lifelong Episcopalian and senior warden of
of the oldest Episcopal church in west Tennessee, I saw the
destruction of a once great church starting almost 10 years ago.
I have not set foot in an Episcopal church in five years,
and have no plans to ever return.


13 posted on 10/18/2004 2:34:25 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping - (thanks, NYer) - there's so much to comment on here I don't know where to start.

Here's the deal - the radical (and remind me again how most homosexuals are just like you and me, conservative, taxpaying, buttoned down churchgoing peaceful monogamous family style folks who don't agree with the "gay" agenda....crickets chirping....) homosexuals push and push, and when conservatives don't want to be pushed quite as far as the homosexuals want, the perverts claim that the conservatives are being divisive.

Then the conservatives have to apologize for not kowtowing 110% to the "gay" agenda and made to go stand in the corner and recite "I will not be a mean hateful homophobe" 100 times.

Keeping some organization together that calls itself a church isn't worth a pinch of nothing if it means denying the absolute morality that God Himself instructed. It's like trying to keep a marriage intact when one spouse abuses the other and cheats continuously. At that point it's not a marriage, even if the pair are living in the same house.

Let me and Scripter know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.

And to those Anglicans who are disgusted and outraged by the homosexual agenda, more power! They're the real Christians - meaning followers of Christ. The others are imposters - bogus frauds.


14 posted on 10/18/2004 2:49:29 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Help elect a REAL, COURAGEOUS conservative to Congress - www.mikegabbard.com)
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To: NYer

This is good, but the left wing dark siders who voted for the perverted one and pushed for gay marriage will ignore it just like Kerry ignores his evil past.


15 posted on 10/18/2004 2:52:05 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will ABCNNBCBS & the MSM fishwraps stop Rathering to America? Answer: NEVER!)
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"The report called for a moratorium on the consecration of gay candidates."

Guess they got tired of all the Episcopalian Chess jokes....

16 posted on 10/18/2004 2:53:32 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack ("We deal in hard calibers and hot lead." - Roland Deschaines)
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To: NYer
"...Dr Eames told BBC World Service's Newshour: "There could have been much more consultation before they took a step that was obviously contrary to the views of a great many Anglicans."

"He added: 'In a world Anglican family there are no rules, no constitution, to control our relationship with each other.'"

Someone please tell me that this is a misquote.

17 posted on 10/18/2004 3:12:54 PM PDT by bd476
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