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Gallup Poll: Bush 52%, Kerry 44%
CNN, Late Edition

Posted on 10/17/2004 9:06:04 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

Edited on 10/17/2004 9:35:17 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: stevem
Let's not get complacent.

Sage advise. Our greatest opponent is a candidate called Complacency.

201 posted on 10/17/2004 9:33:20 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: neutrality

Halloween night


202 posted on 10/17/2004 9:33:21 AM PDT by rushmom
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To: Petronski

"Where would we be able to get the internals to verify?"

I have no idea


203 posted on 10/17/2004 9:33:33 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Petronski
DUmmies reporting this Gallup poll included 9% more Republicans than Democrats.

Assuming they're correct, there's a perfectly good reason for it; party ID shifts with the wind in many voters' minds. As Bush's popularity rises, so do the number of self-identifying "Republicans."

Frank Newport, Gallup

26-Sep 2004 8:14 pm

Steven writes in with a question that reflects misinformation that is boomeranging around the Net. We have posted blogs below that go into some detail outlining the whole issue of party identification in a survey context. Our Gallup samples are rigorously executed and checked and weighted against a number of know U.S. Census Bureau parameters: age, gender, region of country, race, and education. Party ID ("In politics, as of today, do you consider yourself a Republican, a Democrat, or an independent?") is not a variable that is measured by the U.S. Census Bureau, is not fixed, and in fact is to a significant degree a measure that is quite likely to change based on the environment. After 9/11, polls showed many more people identifying with the Republican Party than the Democratic Party because citizens were rallying behind the president. This winter during the primary season, polls showed more people identifying with the Democratic Party than the Republican Party because the news coverage was focused almost exclusively on the Democratic primaries. Analyses shows that polls had more identification with the Democrats than Republicans after the Democratic convention this summer, and then more identification with the Republicans than Democrats after the Republican convention. The measure of partisanship we and other pollsters use is not measuring some lifelong fixed value like gender or race. It is an attitudinal identification with one or the other party at the time of the survey. So, if there are forces at work out in the environment that are favorable to the Democratic Party, for example, they will cause more people to identify with the Democratic Party in the survey, and also cause more people to say they will vote for the Democratic candidate.

Here are links to two recent summaries by other students of polling that go over this same concept.

http://mysterypollster.typepad.com

http://people-press.org/commentary/display.php3?AnalysisID=97

This whole issue of partisan identification is one that pollsters and survey scientists have been discussing and dealing with for years in publications and scholarly conferences. It's not a new issue.

It's surprising that some people on the Net feel that they have suddenly "discovered" something about polling as if pollsters are not highly aware of the variables like party identification that we measure in each survey.

Gallup has a team of experienced editors who have been conducting polls for decades, and teams of statisticians and methodologists who work on every poll. All of this is not to say that there can't be legitimate scientific debate on this and other issues. There can be, just as heart surgeons have conferences and debate the value of different methods of conducting coronary artery bypass surgery. But I can assure all users of Gallup Poll data that the methods we use in pre-election polls are the results of about 70 years of experience in conducting them (since 1936) and intensive, ongoing study and examination of each element of the survey process.

(Emphases mine.)
204 posted on 10/17/2004 9:33:43 AM PDT by Dont Mention the War (How important a Senator can you be if Dick Cheney's never told you to "go [bleep] yourself"?)
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You gotta love CNN! They just said Bush has "a razor thin egde" in the latest poll, 49-46 among registered voters. Added the likely voter margin of 52-44 as a hurried afterthought at the end of the sentince.

These people are now so transparent they cannot begin to hide.


205 posted on 10/17/2004 9:33:52 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: luvbach1

Not surprising... some Freeper mentioned that he visited Australia, and the media made it sound as if Howard was going down in flames.


206 posted on 10/17/2004 9:34:16 AM PDT by Nataku X (Live near a liberal college? Want to demoralize Dems? FRmail me to join in Operation Reverse Moby!)
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To: Howlin; Alamo-Girl; onyx; ALOHA RONNIE; SpookBrat; Republican Wildcat; dixiechick2000; RonDog; ...
Gallup Poll: Bush 52%, Kerry 44%

GALLUP ?!?! Whoa!

And that's likely voters!!!!

It's Bush 49, Kerry 46 registered voters!



Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my General Interest ping list!. . .don't be shy.


207 posted on 10/17/2004 9:34:18 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Petronski

YEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!


208 posted on 10/17/2004 9:34:20 AM PDT by Scarchin (Lone conservative teacher)
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To: Nakatu X

......and they haven't even begun their " Night of The Living Dead" voter drive.......where the dead rise again to vote for Kerry........


209 posted on 10/17/2004 9:34:32 AM PDT by Liz (The man who establishes the reputation of rising at dawn, can sleep til noon.)
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To: JohnHuang2
Our greatest opponent is a candidate called Complacency.

May I use that?

210 posted on 10/17/2004 9:34:45 AM PDT by meyer (Our greatest opponent is a candidate called Complacency.)
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To: veronica
Schwing! :))

From my abode near Aurora, IL, I concur. But let's nobody think there will become ANY reason complacency --we need every Bush, every conservative vote Senate vote, every conservative vote of every kind that we can get!

211 posted on 10/17/2004 9:34:56 AM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: rang1995

Heaven forbid a terrorist attack on the US, but if there is it won't hurt GWB.


212 posted on 10/17/2004 9:35:04 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Let US commanders run the war on terror in iraq,)
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To: Petronski

Thanks for posting -- I'll move your post to the top.


213 posted on 10/17/2004 9:35:04 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: somerville

Get the hell outta here is like a hello here..LOL..not really. I live in Northeast Philly and it's pretty much heavily democratic and pro Bush, a huge Russian community and from what I hear they are voting Bush all the way.


214 posted on 10/17/2004 9:35:18 AM PDT by hipaatwo
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To: Scott from the Left Coast

You're exactly right!


215 posted on 10/17/2004 9:35:36 AM PDT by Howlin (Bush has claimed two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: Dont Mention the War; KJacob

Thanks for the explanation. Gallup asks "with which party do you identify yourself more" not "of which party are you a member."


That's a big difference.


216 posted on 10/17/2004 9:35:46 AM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: JohnHuang2
Thanks for the happy news, John!! :^D


217 posted on 10/17/2004 9:35:53 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: meyer

But of course ;-)


218 posted on 10/17/2004 9:36:06 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: falcon1966

The people are deciding that they do not want to listen to Lurch drone on for the next four years and treat us all like "the little people" ....


219 posted on 10/17/2004 9:36:12 AM PDT by falcon1966
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To: denydenydeny

They don't believe in a two party system. Should go hang out in some banana republic.


220 posted on 10/17/2004 9:36:16 AM PDT by ride the whirlwind (Poor John Kerry, he can't help it. He was born with a silver flip-flop in his mouth.)
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