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Vatican: Kerry guilty of heresy; incurrs automatic excommunication
EWTN The World Over ^ | 10/15/04

Posted on 10/15/2004 7:20:42 PM PDT by St. Johann Tetzel

Dramatic development in the fight for the Right to Life and the standing of pro-abortion Catholic politicians.

Today, in EWTN's news magazine The World Over, canon lawyer Marc Balestrieri revealed that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has certified that the Church's condemnation of abortion is part of Catholic doctrine and of natural law, and as such, any one who publicly contradicts this doctrine is guilty of heresy and incurrs an automatic excommunication.

Click here to download the Roman Congregation's response.

Earlier this year, Marc Balestrieri filed a heresy lawsuit against Senator John F. Kerry for his public and obstinate support of abortion rights. This lawsuit remains active in the tribunal of the Archdiocese of Boston. Today, Mr. Balestrieri announced in the same program that he will file new charges against the most egregious offenders, including Senator Ted Kennedy (D-Mass) and Susan Collins (R-Maine), whose pro-abortion voting record is well known.

To find out more about Marc Balestrieri's efforts, to join the class-action canon lawsuits against Kerry et al. as an aggrieved party, or to contribute towards his ministry, visit his website, www.defide.org


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: catholicpoliticians; excommunication; heresy; kerry; lataesententiae; vatican
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To: xzins
Your answer and any brief explanation would be appreciated. Thanks.

I owe you one, for the other day. I felt bad about that.

Kerry's anti-Catholic behavior goes beyond his participation in pre-birth murder. Being that he's unmarried and not in a state of grace, when he takes communion he's committing a grave sin. He also publicly receives "communion" in non-Cathlolc churches. Not only is he not ashamed of this, he flaunts it by setting up photo-ops for the event.

He should be ex-commed, but unfortunately it will never happen. Of those who would be responsible for doing so, too many are either worldly cowards or worse, sympathetic to his anti-Christ world view.

141 posted on 10/16/2004 6:47:17 AM PDT by AAABEST (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: AAABEST

Thank you, AB. I heard the sincerity in your voice the other day and took no offense.

There is absolutely nothing preventing us from being online friends who share faith in Jesus Christ.

Your answer about Kerry was concise and to the point. Thanks. You say there's no way he'll be excommed.


142 posted on 10/16/2004 6:50:54 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proudly Supporting BUSH/CHENEY 2004!)
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To: Arrowhead1952
Thanks!

143 posted on 10/16/2004 6:51:13 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: xzins

Dear xzins,

"You say there's no way he'll be excommed."

It would be more accurate to say, since he is already automatically excommunicated, it's unlikely that he will also be excommunicated via an official decree. It happens occasionally, but not often. It's a little redundant.

It is a little more likely that eventually, an official pronouncement recognizing his excommunication will someday be given. But that's not terribly likely, either. He is automatically excommunicated as a formal heretic. Canon law is clear as to the automatic excommunication of heretics.

There are literally millions of Catholics who have directly participated in the crime of abortion, either by procuring one, directly aiding someone in procuring one, directly committing one, or directly assisting in the commission of the crime. Canon law is clear about the automatic excommunication of those who directly participate in the crime of abortion.

They are all excommunicated. But I don't know that you'll find many official pronouncements of the excommunication of any particular individual.


sitetest


144 posted on 10/16/2004 6:59:14 AM PDT by sitetest (Excommunicate all the Dammocraps. And all pro-abort Catholics. Let God sort 'em out.)
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To: narses

Bookmark


145 posted on 10/16/2004 7:04:23 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: sitetest; sinkspur
sitetest & sinkspur,

I've been following both of your reasoned arguments and points and I won't make any comment on Catholic doctrine (I am a former Catholic), but instead I like to take it one more step up the chain, so to speak, and not worry about formal vs. informal, automatic vs. official excommunication vs., etc. I want to know what God says about these kinds of things, and while I was reading this a verse came to mind that I would like to share.

James, chapter 4, verse 17 says, "Therefore to him who knows to do good, and does not do it, to him it is sin."

I think that this speaks to Catholics and Protestants alike in that God says we sin not doing the good we know we ought to do (I think the nuns who taught me in grade school would call that a "sin of omission"). Sen. Kerry says he is personally against abortion, yet he refuses to take action that he as a Senator has the power to take to do anything against it. That alone should be enough for those (Catholic or otherwise) to make a decision on where he stands, not only on this issue of abortion, but morally in general.

146 posted on 10/16/2004 7:10:56 AM PDT by Pablo64 ("Everything I say is fully substantiated by my own opinion.")
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Didn't Kerry have a private meeting with McCarrick earlier in the year?
147 posted on 10/16/2004 7:13:15 AM PDT by hummingbird ("If it wasn't for the insomnia, I could have gotten some sleep!")
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To: GOP_Thug_Mom; Axiom Nine

Catholic Ping!!!!!!!!1


148 posted on 10/16/2004 7:14:45 AM PDT by pax_et_bonum (Since John Kerry dislikes labels, why doesn't he remove his "Catholic" one?)
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To: TradicalRC
Looks like a scene from The Blues Brothers.

"Do you see the Light?"

It does remind one of that, you're right.


149 posted on 10/16/2004 7:42:06 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: TradicalRC

All I could think of when I saw that picture was Ernest Angly's (who is oddly cherubic looking) 'evil demon, come out!'


150 posted on 10/16/2004 7:55:00 AM PDT by AlbionGirl ('But a bold Laity, their Church's pride, When once destroy'd, can never be supplied. Mostly Gold'th)
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To: sartorius

Dear sartorius,

Do you think this is appropriate for the pro-life or the KofC lists?


sitetest


151 posted on 10/16/2004 9:11:41 AM PDT by sitetest
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To: Diva; sitetest
There was once a connection between OSV and The Catholic Register. To the best of my knowledge there never was a connection between OSV and the unCatholic Reporter. Many people confuse The Reporter with The Register. This is due,in part,to the fact that when the Reporter was established,after Vatican II,the Register was the New York Times of the Catholic world in the USA. The "enemy" has always been almost diabolically clever.

The unCatholic Reporter stands with the Jesuit magazine,America and the very liberal,Commonweal magazine as the preferred print media of dissident,progressive,liberal catholics. Among those catholics are many bishops in the USCCB,who have used it to spread their "collective,collaborative,community" agenda to the masses.The Ligourian and the US Catholic are lesser known but equally off-base publications.

I would say that none of those print publications support Rome,or the Pope and the Magisterium. The only time they acknowledge existence of a higher authority in the Catholic Church than themselves is when something goes wrong. Then it's Rome or the Pope's fault. The recent scandal is a case in point.

Our Sunday Visitor leaves much to be desired but in general it reflects a more "muddled middle" happy kind of catholicism but not deliberately planned to deceive.

153 posted on 10/16/2004 10:08:43 AM PDT by saradippity
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To: St. Johann Tetzel

does this also mean those who vote for kerry are guilty as well as kerry and will be ex-communicated


154 posted on 10/16/2004 10:11:46 AM PDT by freddiedavis
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To: St. Johann Tetzel
"Automatic excommunication" or "excommunicating oneself" are not the real deal.

My grandfather was excommunicated in 1919 for marrying my Lutheran grandmother. His name was read out from the altar of his church, in front of his mother, his aunt, and his cousins.

It made quite an impression.

If John Kerry is not a Catholic in good standing, why hasn't his ordinary (who is the responsible party) said so?

And if his ordinary and the Bishop of Rome do't say so, who is anyone else to say otherwise?

155 posted on 10/16/2004 10:14:17 AM PDT by Jim Noble (FR Iraq policy debate begins 11/3/04. Pass the word.)
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To: saradippity
Our Sunday Visitor leaves much to be desired but in general it reflects a more "muddled middle" happy kind of catholicism but not deliberately planned to deceive.

That was my understanding as well. Thanks for the info saradippity!

156 posted on 10/16/2004 11:15:49 AM PDT by Diva
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Kerry does did it himself.
157 posted on 10/16/2004 11:26:28 AM PDT by It's me
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To: hummingbird

Yes he did. Kerry seems to have some mysterious power over McCarrick and O'Malley. So far they both have refused to act.


158 posted on 10/16/2004 12:00:24 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: sinkspur

I think you are wrong on your Canonical interpretation.

There are LOTSA excommunicandi wandering around out there--e.g., Catholic women who have had abortions and not sought sacramental forgiveness.

Latae sententiae means just that: one excommunicates oneself; it does not require paperwork.

In the case outlined above, it's clear from recent history that Kerry is latae sententiae. The "recent history" is the removal of "Catholic" from literature distributed by Tom Daschle. Albeit in that case it was at the request of Daschle's Bishop, the Bishop would NOT have made the request unless Daschle was, in fact, excommunicated by virtue of his public record on abortion.

Open/shut.


160 posted on 10/16/2004 2:22:36 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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