Posted on 10/13/2004 9:48:00 AM PDT by MindBender26
Kerry Lost Security Clearance!
Just spoke with reporter friend in DC. She is talking with former USN ONI types who worked on DOD/USN investigation that resulted in total loss of Kerry’s Navy security clearance.
Kerry had been granted a Top Secret by the Navy on October 11, 1967 based on a routine background investigation by Office of Naval Intelligence. A top secret clearance was required for his work at that time.
Obtaining and holding a security clearance of any level, especially TS or above, requires certain terms, obligations, commitments and conditions from the holder. One of the most important is the holder of the clearance must promptly and fully any contacts with any foreign officials, agents, etc.
Lieutenant Kerry left active duty with the Navy on January 3, 1970, but he still carried those obligations as a commissioned officer of the Naval Reserve. Without telling anyone and without receiving permission from superiors,FBI or counter-intelligence officers, he traveled to Paris in the summer of 1970. He claimed the purpose of his trip was a honeymoon with his first wife, Julia Thorne, but there was another hidden purpose.
Numerous North Vietnamese and Viet Cong intelligence agents and officials were in Paris, having arrived a year earlier for the “Peace Talks.” While in Paris, Kerry met with agents on a number of occasions and had extensive discussions with them about U.S. plans, procedures and how to get the U.S. to essentially surrender in Vietnam.
These clandestine meetings were never reported to the Navy.
Almost a year later, in April 1091, speaking as the leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against The War, Lieutenant Kerry told a Senate hearing about his meetings with enemy agents. Senior DOD officials wanted to prosecute him as a Naval Reserve officer for violating a number of laws and regulations, but this was vetoed by the Nixon White House. They didn’t want to give the anti-war crowd any additional PR ammunition.
However, the Navy immediately pulled Kerry’s security clearance. He became a Naval Reserve officer who was known not to be trusted. He kept his commission, but lost all access to any classified information. In the words of one of the now-retired agents, “Lieutenant Kerry wasn’t cleared to know what time it was!”
The bottom line is, Kerry was on the Intelligence Committee of the Senate after the Paris fiasco and another trip to support the Moscow-backed Sandinistas in Nicaragua.
Today, he couldn’t get a security clearance to pull KP duty, but he wants to be Commander in Chief of all our military in the War on Terrorism!
That's what I'm praying for.
Poor ruiner, it'll take awhile for you to live this down! Hang in there!
I bet you don't forget those sarcasm tags anymore...
TS is simply a categorization of classified material based on the harm to national security its release would mean. There are categories within the TS level (compartmented information), so someone with a TS clearance is cleared to see and handle only what he has a need to know. Now, the members of the SSCI, which Kerry used to be on and Edwards currently is, sees more than senators in general, although they all had access to a lot before voting on the Iraq war resolution. And regardless of what is blathered about in Hollywood movies, TS is the highest category of classification; but again, there are sub-categories within it.
So my original thought was that what Kerry had in Vietnam cannot compare to what he has been briefed on present day.
That's correct as far as the breadth of what he's briefed on, but it simply doesn't matter because violating the restrictions put on the holder of a TS clearance are the same (theoretically), no matter the topic.
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Clinton would have never passed a security clearance and none of his staff (Carvelle, Begalla, etc.,) could so they all kept receiving "temporary" passes while working at the WhiteHouse.
Its okay. You were about the sixth to mention that to me. Its a huge thread, I reply before reading the entire thread sometimes, also. No problem-o. I am glad some folks took the time to point out the info to me. I am surprised at the requirements but I guess it does make sense.
the Navy immediately pulled Kerry’s security clearance. He became a Naval Reserve officer who was known not to be trusted. He kept his commission, but lost all access to any classified information. In the words of one of the now-retired agents, “Lieutenant Kerry wasn’t cleared to know what time it was!”
I'm glad someone else besides me remembers that comment. She scares the living hell out of me...
On Sunday night I sat with two Vietnamese-American gentlemen who spent 13 years each in communist reeducation camps (one a helicopter pilot, the other a tank commander in Pleiku). Also there was the daughter of a Vietnamese professor now serving his second 15-year sentence for advocating freedom of speech in Vietnam (she's married to the tank commander).
We had alliances and treaties with the government of South Vietnam. John Kerry was instrumental in breaking those treaties and turning our backs on these brave men through his lies and traitorous actions. He is despised by the South Vietnamese here in that States and in Vietnam, although most are too polite and deferential to tell you that.
The most damning comment I ever heard from any Vietnamese person was from a former Da Nang air traffic controller - in perfect English from his 2 years training in Texas. "America let us down when we most needed her."
You have no idea of the immense suffering that followed April 1975, engendered in large part by people like John Kerry.
In the USN of the 70's, anything nuke required TS clearance. From an ET on a nuke sub to an engineer running the nuke plant, all TS.
I suspect this is the only reason Kerry had TS clearance.
It's all moot in any case, since elected Congressional officials do not need formal clearance to access classified materials within their scope of interest. Intel Committee members are regularly briefed on Q Class, TS SCI, blah blah blah whatever. They are not subject to the normal background checks.
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Indeed. In practice a Security Officer may not accept the terms of an SCI that was valid on another project or mission.
And across agencies there are many clearance designators which have different names, e.g., DoD Secret seems about the same as DoE Q Class or the civilian (Treasury and Justice) 85P.
What is DC Reporter? Do you have a link?
I'd love to email this around but need to cite source in the email, otherwise no one on my liberal list will believe this is more than an unsubstantiated rumor. Thanks.
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You are right that basically all nuke-related stuff is TS just by its very nature, and that elected critters don't get clearances. Maybe its time for a new federal law that all declared presidential and v.p. candidates must undergo background investigations. That would wipe out about 85% of all Dem contenders in the last 20-some years!
No wonder he had Sandy Burger on his campaign as an advisor. That's somebody else that could not follow security rules and restrictions.
Reminds me of Los Angeles not long ago when the Police Chief was denied a concealed weapon gun permit - they made him Chief tho' - go fig
Leaky Lehey and Gary Condit come to mind.
No clearance, both on Intel Committees, both security risks.
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