Yep!
My thanks to BulletBobCo for the concept of this
pic and to Conspiracy Guy for the captions!
Posted on 10/13/2004 12:54:03 AM PDT by politicket
Edited on 10/13/2004 1:07:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Excerpt:
Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
October 13, 2004
URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/3107
An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves" opens a door on a well kept secret about his military service.
The document is a form cover letter in the name of the Carter administration's secretary of the Navy, W. Graham Claytor. It describes Mr. Kerry's discharge as being subsequent to the review of "a board of officers." This in it self is unusual. There is nothing about an ordinary honorable discharge action in the Navy that requires a review by a board of officers.
According to the secretary of the Navy's document, the "authority of reference" this board was using in considering Mr. Kerry's record was "Title 10, U.S. Code Section 1162 and 1163. "This section refers to the grounds for involuntary separation from the service. What was being reviewed, then, was Mr. Kerry's involuntary separation from the service. And it couldn't have been an honorable discharge, or there would have been no point in any review at all. The review was likely held to improve Mr. Kerry's status of discharge from a less than honorable discharge to an honorable discharge.
A Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, was asked whether Mr. Kerry had ever been a victim of an attempt to deny him an honorable discharge. There has been no response to that inquiry.
The document is dated February 16, 1978. But Mr. Kerry's military commitment began with his six-year enlistment contract with the Navy on February 18, 1966. His commitment should have terminated in 1972. It is highly unlikely that either the man who at that time was a Vietnam Veterans Against the War leader, John Kerry, requested or the Navy accepted an additional six year reserve commitment. And the Claytor document indicates proceedings to reverse a less than honorable discharge that took place sometime prior to February 1978.
The most routine time for Mr. Kerry's discharge would have been at the end of his six-year obligation, in 1972. But how was it most likely to have come about?
BTTT!!!!!!
"There's a second one?! "
There are two. I looked a while ago. One, release from enlisted status to accept a commission; one release from active duty.
But what about his discharge from the reserves? That is the question . . .
nice summary
Yep!
My thanks to BulletBobCo for the concept of this
pic and to Conspiracy Guy for the captions!
Kerry's posted DD214 at his web site shows NO foreign (Vietnam) service. Reference : #22 c.
sKerry's second 214 is a different page, and I didn't notice that on my PDF reader.
I thought there was something missing from what I'd looked at earlier that I'd seen before, but went all through his web site to see if it was in a different link.
Sorry all. Also, I'm sorry about my apparently erroneous statements on this thread, Sen.Kerry.
I will now review the whole PDF, and expect that I will not be nearly as upset about this particular item, but I do not expect that anything I will find there will alter my assessment of sKerry's behavior after he got back from 'Nam.
On Kerry's reserve discharge paper, I noticed two things:
1) Item one was the line: "By Direction of the President and pursuant to reference (a)( 10USC1162) you are hereby honorably discharged from the US Naval Reserve effective this date
( February 16, 1978)(six years after the initial reserve obligation ended and during the Carter Administration)
They cited 10 USC 1162 as the authority for the reserve separation. There are three administrative laws that feed into 10USC 1162. Two dont apply ( one being for the Army and Air National Guard, and one being for Chaplains) so this administrative law had to apply to him:
____________________________________________________________
§ 12684. Reserves: separation for absence without authority or sentence to imprisonment
Release date: 2004-03-18
The President or the Secretary concerned may drop from the rolls of the armed force concerned any Reserve—
(1) who has been absent without authority for at least three months;
(2) who may be separated under section 12687 of this title by reason of a sentence to confinement adjudged by a court-martial; or
(3) who is sentenced to confinement in a Federal or State penitentiary or correctional institution after having been found guilty of an offense by a court other than a court-martial or other military court, and whose sentence has become final.
____________________________________________________________
The action was taken under the approved recommendations of a board of officers acting under 10USC 1162 ( cited above) and subject to a review of his records.
This reeks folks!
This is strictly discharging him from enlisted ranks. When the go through OCS they are E-5s. This is a release so he can go active duty as an Ensign. This is very misleading. Anyone who has served can eventually put 2 and 2 together. He is not being above board with people here. Also, another give away is there is no foreign service time listed. If he had already been in Vietnam there should have been time in this block. He is definitely hiding something and he needs to come clean about it.
I too didn't see page 2.
The throwing the medals away was fake from the start. That one guy who was there said that they were handed a bunch a medals from a consignment store or pawn shop to throw over the fence. Remember that some of these guys never truly served in Vietnam, let alone won medals to throw over. Kerry has always kept his medals safe at home on his wall as a prop.
I can see the headline now:
Kerry Dishonorably Discharged Before He Was Honorably Discharged
Yeah, right.
"I have my final DD214 in the same location as with other super-important documents"
I had mine registered with the county clerk in Tucson when I separated. Much easier a place to get a true copy should it ever be required and should my personal copie(s) ever get lost or destroyed...
Thanks for the heads up, Grampa Dave!
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I thought it a leading question to Kerry's benefit, but now that I think about it, maybe the reporter knew the factual
answer, or was probing based on rumors, and asked the question that way to help out Kerry, but the "no response"
leads the readers to wonder why lack of declarative "Then Lt. Kerry was honorable discharged ...".
It's not like it was a "Given the Kerry's backstabbing of the troops during the Vietnam conflict, did he have trouble..." question.
I think he had his medals, but it could be possible he tossed them for spite IF he did in fact receive a DD or BCD, not being able to display them legally anyway. That might have been the impetus for the tossing-them-over-the fence theatrics
The question for me would be, if Kerry didn't receive a less than honorable discharge, why?...He clearly engaged in treasonous behavior and speech during war time and while he was still enlisted.
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