Posted on 10/12/2004 10:14:15 PM PDT by tazannie
I hope this is good
I didn't send it. I hope someone will though. I never seem to get it to the right address.
LOL! I was pinging you!!! :) Best reason in the world to get up! :)
... near veto proof majority in the senate and mucho blowback for the Klintons.
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Whoa, there, don't get so excited. My heart skips a beat contemplating both possibilities, but I am not getting my hopes up. We have gotten opptimistic too many times only to be disappointed.
Only the massed weight of public opinion could get to those records, and I'm sure that Mr. Kerry won't be signing an SF-180 only 3 weeks from the election.
He knows he can ride out a controversy like this, and that his anti-war liberal left base wouldn't care anyway. After all, we'd hear that "it was 35 years ago, who cares?" from them, wouldn't we?
Like I said, one needs to look at the pertinent sections of the United States Code under which Mr. Kerry's final discharge was adjudicated to gain a hint of just why it wasn't until 1978 that the matter was addressed.
Technically, the statute of limitations for action on a BCNR review is 36 months from the end of creditable service. The Board will entertain requests for review of records beyond that under exceptional circumstances. I'm sure that he had friends enough already, and the Carter amnesty in hand, to ensure action by the BCNR.
I sent it - used the contact the show link on hannity.com.
Thanks re Hannity! I wonder if the DU has the news yet! LOL.
I wonder if that is the good one. I sent it to Bill Bennett and Laura Ingraham.
He had to have also signed a DD Form 149, Application for Correction of Military Records, in order to be eligible for review. If he was successful, and it looks like he was, then that Form, along with all other records of the proceeding, is sealed.
Start from now and try to follow a paper trail backwards. Microfiche was the common storage method back then for these records, so there may not even be any actual physical documents left to get at.
Hence the.. "He can run, but he can't hide" line.
5:00 AM. One hour to go. Haven't had my coffee yet, but I don't think the world has ended so far. NY Sun doesn't look surprising either. Something about a Presidential debate, but I'm pretty sure that was already public knowledge. Coffee's almost ready.
Just went over there and didn't see anything...
P.S. - I need to take a hot shower now...
Also sent to comments@sbgi.net - that's Sinclair Broadcasting
One would hope that that was what the President meant. The government is sloppy sometimes, and I'm sure something exists out there. For the Sun to make such a speculation, without some concrete document or corroborating witness who sat on the Board or was a recorder for the Board, or something, just doesn't make sense.
They've got more than they're releasing right at this moment. And I'm sure Karl Rove knows exactly what they've got.
if you can get into the Navy BYPERS you might look at the citation on his discharge, BUPERS 3830300
http://www.bupers.navy.mil/
These below were executive orders by
Carter after the draft dodger pardons..
Executive Order 12017
Amending the Code of Conduct for Members of the Armed Forces of the United States
Signed: November 3, 1977
Federal Register page and date: 42 FR 57941; November 7, 1977
Amends: EO 10631, August 17, 1955
Here's 10 U.S.C.S. 1162 and 1163.. Both have since been repealed in 1994. Note 1163.
§ 1162. Reserves; discharge
(a) Subject to other provisions of this title [10 USCS §§ 101 et seq.], reserve commissioned officers may be discharged at the pleasure of the President. Other Reserves may be discharged under regulations prescribed by the Secretary concerned.
(b) Under regulations to be prescribed by the Secretary of Defense, a Reserve who becomes a regular or ordained minister of religion is entitled upon his request to a discharge from his reserve enlistment or appointment.
10 USCS § 1163 (1992)
§ 1163. Reserve components: members; limitations on separation
(a) An officer of a reserve component who has at least three years of service as a commissioned officer may not be separated from that component without his consent except under an approved recommendation of a board of officers convened by an authority designated by the Secretary concerned, or by the approved sentence of a court-martial. This subsection does not apply to a separation under subsection (b) of this section or under section 1003 of this title [10 USCS § 1003], to a dismissal under section 1161 (a) of this title [10 USCS § 1161(a)], or to a transfer under section 3352 or 8352 of this title [10 USCS § 3352 or 8352].
(b) The President or the Secretary concerned may drop from the rolls of the armed force concerned any Reserve (1) who has been absent without authority for at least three months, or (2) who is sentenced to confinement in a Federal or State penitentiary or correctional institution after having been found guilty of an offense by a court other than a court-martial or other military court, and whose sentence has become final.
(c) A member of a reserve component who is separated therefrom for cause, except under subsection (b), is entitled to a discharge under honorable conditions unless--
(1) he is discharged under conditions other than honorable under an approved sentence of a court-martial or under the approved findings of a board of officers convened by an authority designated by the Secretary concerned; or
(2) he consents to a discharge under conditions other than honorable with a waiver of proceedings of a court-martial or a board.
(d) Under regulations to be prescribed by the Secretary concerned, which shall be as uniform as practicable, a member of a reserve component who is on active duty (other than for training) and is within two years of becoming eligible for retired pay or retainer pay under a purely military retirement system, may not be involuntarily released from that duty before he becomes eligible for that pay, unless his release is approved by the Secretary.
:)
Good thinking! I am sure they will enjoy it.
Wow, morning coffee sounds good but first I have to get to bed so I can wake up to it in about 4 hours.
Sleep tight.
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