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To: British chick; callmejoe; Domestic Church; ExSoldier

That post has some pretty good mahdi related information on it-lets dissect it a little:


When the author speaks of "Countdown"-"days remaining" in paragraph 2 could he be speaking of the eclipse and red moon which supposedly brings forth the mahdi after some huge natural or man made catastrophe?

On the same note, could the references to a revolution on the Arabian Peninsula be references to Saudi Arabia, where the Mahdi is supposed to lead an army on a march to Mecca and seize the shrine

(the recreation of the battle of Al badr that is foretold?)


In my opinion, mahdi or not, I believe Bin Laden is manipulating events to make himself look like the mahdi. The timing of his past attacks seems to have been planned to capitolize on this.

What do you guys think? its just a theory, but its starting to flesh out a little bit.


1,723 posted on 10/26/2004 1:23:32 PM PDT by judicial meanz
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To: judicial meanz

I think Bin Laden is still dead and that he's buried under a couple of tons of rock somewhere in the vicinity of Tora Bora. Just a hunch.


1,724 posted on 10/26/2004 1:30:28 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: judicial meanz
the eclipse and red moon which supposedly brings forth the mahdi after some huge natural or man made catastrophe?

So you think we're gonna get HIT tomorrow? OCT 27th is the BLOOD MOON eclipse at around 2230 HRS.

1,729 posted on 10/26/2004 1:55:33 PM PDT by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic.)
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To: judicial meanz

"When the author speaks of "Countdown"-"days remaining" in paragraph 2 could he be speaking of the eclipse and red moon which supposedly brings forth the mahdi after some huge natural or man made catastrophe? On the same note, could the references to a revolution on the Arabian Peninsula be references to Saudi Arabia, where the Mahdi is supposed to lead an army on a march to Mecca and seize the shrine"

http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/MR1245/MR1245.ch2.pdf

(snip)

In these contingencies, three developments could cause a significant
disruption in the flow of oil. First, the occupation or destruction of
Kuwait’s oil facilities could remove 3 million barrels per day (mb/d)
from the market. Second, the occupation and possible destruction of
some of Saudi Arabia’s key oil facilities in the eastern provinces could
reduce Saudi exports by as much as 8 mb/d if exports from Ras
Tanura are completely cut off. Third, Iranian closure of the Strait of
Hormuz could halt 85 percent of all Gulf oil exports. . . .

In all likelihood, the use of WMD would be concentrated in eastern
Saudi Arabia, where most of the Kingdom’s major oil production and
processing/exporting facilities are located. Disruption would be
caused by (1) destruction of facilities and materials, including
pipelines, refineries, storage tanks, export terminals (e.g., Ras Tanura), and lines of communication/transportation; (2) contami-nation
of materials and structures; and (3) the death or incapacitation
of critical oil-industry personnel, widespread panic among such
personnel, and the exodus of foreign workers from the country.
In this scenario, oil production would plummet dramatically and the
ensuing chaos and economic deprivation would put severe strain on
the Saudi government. The Saudis would no doubt make a concerted
effort to repair damaged facilities and to restore preattack
production levels as quickly as possible; however, the extent of the
destruction and the threat of further attacks by terrorist groups could
impede recovery. For example, if a nuclear blast destroyed the Ras
Tanura complex, a minimum of 6 mb/d of export capacity could be
removed from the market, and the entire Saudi oil production ca-pability
could be wiped out if large areas were contaminated by ra-dioactive
fallout. Even if the Saudis could restore a sense of calm, it
could well take years before production and exports were restored to
normal levels.

http://www.khilafah.com/home/category.php?DocumentID=6291&TagID=2

Pro-Qaeda Oil Workers a Sabotage Risk for Saudis
uploaded 15 Feb 2003
By JEFF GERTH

(snip)

IYADH, Saudi Arabia — The government of Saudi Arabia has increased security around its oil fields and processing centers after the discovery that employees of the state-owned oil company sympathetic to Al Qaeda were discussing sabotage plans late last summer, American and Saudi officials say.

American intelligence officials discovered the conversations and alerted the Saudi authorities, who quickly arrested and interrogated the suspects, the officials added. . . .Intelligence officials say the discovery of Qaeda sympathizers inside Saudi Aramco is part of a worrisome trend: Al Qaeda's leadership appears to be increasingly focused on economic targets, especially the oil industry.

A few weeks after the sabotage suspects were detained, a French supertanker carrying oil from Saudi Arabia was attacked off the coast of Yemen, in a plot that American and Arab officials say was orchestrated by Al Qaeda. About the same time, a Qaeda videotape surfaced showing Osama bin Laden's deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, calling for attacks on economic targets. . . .During the Persian Gulf war 12 years ago, Iraq launched more than three dozen missiles into the oil-rich Eastern Province of Saudi Arabia. Some Saudis thought that was part of an unsuccessful effort to damage the Ras Tanura shipping and refining complex near the Persian Gulf, the gateway for most of the eight million barrels of oil that Saudi Arabia produces each day. . . .During the 1980's, according to a former American intelligence official, the United States government did a secret study of the vulnerability of Aramco's installation at Abqaiq, the world's largest oil and gas processing center. Investigators found that the chemical reactions from a well-placed explosion could cripple Abqaiq's gas-oil separation plant for months, the former official said.

Source: New York Times




1,760 posted on 10/26/2004 4:15:55 PM PDT by callmejoe
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To: judicial meanz; All
I've long thought that Bin Laden fashions himself the new Mahdi ... this was also brought out in the last chapter of "Osama's Revenge" by Paul Williams.

Anyhow, here's a link that pertains to the lunar eclipse and the TIMING of the Mahdi, according to Islamic tradition:

http://ww-iii.netfirms.com/timing.htm

(the link also contains Nostradamus and some new age prophecies, so I've excerpted the pertinent dates below)

"It is said in one of the Hadeeths (which are Islamic texts that record the preaching of Prophet Muhammad and interpret the Holy Koran) that the sign of imminent appearance of the Antichrist (Dajjal), Imam Mahdi and the second coming of Jesus Christ will be the occurrence of both a solar and a lunar eclipse in the Islamic holy month of Ramadan. It is said that the war of the Antichrist will take place in the year following these occurrences.

Based on this prophecy, it is possible to speculate the timing of the war. Islamic calendar is a lunar calendar. So a particular day under that calendar does not occur around the same day of the solar Roman calendar. Roughly speaking, every year the month of Ramadan starts 11 days before the day on which it started in the previous year, according to the solar calendar. For example, Ramadan started on 17th November in 2001. So in 2002 it will start approximately on 6th November, in 2003 on 26th October and so on. Based on this assumption, the approximate period of Ramadan according to the English calendar for the coming years can be worked out as follows:

2001 2002 2003 2004
16 Nov - 16 Dec 5 Nov - 5 Dec 25 Oct - 25 Nov 14 Oct - 14 Nov

2005 2006 2007 2008
3 Oct - 3 Nov 22 Sep - 22 Oct 11 Sep - 11 Oct 1 Sep - 1 Oct

2009 2010
21 Aug - 21 Sep 10 Aug - 10 Sep

Now we have to find out those solar and lunar eclipses during this period, total, partial or annular, which will be visible from the Middle East and find out whether both a solar and a lunar eclipse takes place in any of the above-mentioned periods.

Solar & lunar eclipses that both occur during Ramadan in the period 2001-2010 are in 2002 (4 Dec & 20 Nov respectively), 2003 (23 Nov & 8 Nov respectively), 2004 (14 Oct & 28 Oct respectively) and 2005 (3 Oct & 17 Oct respectively). The path/visibility of the eclipses are as follows :

2002:
Solar - South Africa, Indonesia, Australia
Lunar (Penumbral) - Americas, Africa, Europe, East Asia

2003:
Solar- Australia, New Zealand, South America
Lunar (Total) - Americas, Europe, Africa, Central Asia

2004:
Solar: NE Asia, Alaska, Hawaii
Lunar (Total) - America, Europe, Africa, Central Asia

2005:
Solar (annular) : Europe, Africa, S. Asia
Lunar (Partial) - Asia, Australia, Pacific, North America

Only in the case of the 2005 eclipses, both the eclipses will be visible from the Middle East and part of the Arab world. The path of greatest visibility of the 2005 annular solar eclipse taking place on 3rd October will be Spain ->, Algeria -> Libya -> East Africa. However, annular or partial eclipse will be observedfrom the whole of Europe, Middle East including the Arabian Peninsula, Africa, Iran and India."

Note that the author says that ONLY IN 2005 WILL BOTH LUNAR AND SOLAR ECLIPSES BE VISIBLE IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

I guess what the above boils down to is ... they'll hit US if they can.

I think Bin Laden and his band of brothers are complete fruitcakes, and what I cannot believe is how many people in the middle east and elsewhere think they are hero's ... they have turned every country they've been in to sh*t ... they kill women and kids for no good reason ... they SAW innocents' heads off ... they call their leaders "Lord" and nobles ... they like to institute Sharia ... and they quote Teddy Kennedy ;)



PS. What I really like to see is "The Sword of Allah meets the 101st Airborne!"
1,848 posted on 10/27/2004 4:58:54 AM PDT by Tilly (I'm not paid to be stressed!!!)
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