HALPERINGATE = RATHERGATE = WATERGATE: The Nexus

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[Mia T]

HALPERINGATE = RATHERGATE = WATERGATE: The Nexus

Halperin Memo Dated Friday October 8, 2004

It goes without saying that the stakes are getting very high
for the country and the campaigns - and our responsibilities become quite grave
I do not want to set off (sp?) and endless colloquy that none of us have time for today
- nor do I want to stifle one.
Please respond if you feel you can advance the discussion.
The New York Times (Nagourney/Stevenson) and Howard Fineman
on the web both make the same point today: the current Bush attacks
on Kerry involve distortions and taking things out of context in a way
that goes beyond what Kerry has done.
Kerry distorts, takes out of context, and mistakes all the time, but these are not central to his (ed. ABC-supported) efforts to win.
We have a responsibility to hold both sides accountable to the public interest,
but that doesn't mean we reflexively and artificially hold both sides
"equally" accountable when the facts don't warrant that.
I'm sure many of you have this week felt the stepped up Bush efforts
to complain about our coverage.
This is all part of their efforts to get away with as
much as possible with the stepped up, renewed efforts
to win the election by destroying Senator Kerry at least partly through distortions.

It's up to Kerry to defend himself, of course.
But as one of the few news organizations with the skill and strength to help voters evaluate what the
candidates are saying to serve the public interest.
Now is the time for all of us to step up and do that right.

 

our responsibilities (sic) become quite grave...
We have a responsibility to hold both sides accountable to the public interest,
but that doesn't mean we reflexively and artificially hold both sides "equally" accountable--Halperin

We, the people, will not "reflexively and artificially," but rather rationally and naturally, hold both networks "equally accountable"
The people's responsibility has "become quite grave."

HALPERINGATE = RATHERGATE = WATERGATE: The Nexus^{(computer-generated superscript) BUMP}
So where are the grand juries, special prosecutors + indictments, anyway? (HEY! Where are the calls for them?)
 

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NEW! compleatjohnkerry.blogspot.com

NEW! unfitforcommand.blogspot.com

johnkerryisdangerousforamerica.blogspot.com
 

Kerry distorts, takes out of context, and mistakes all the time, but these are not central to his efforts to win.--Halperin

John "One Position on Iraq" Kerry's 1971 Replay

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KERRY DOESN'T HAVE THE JUDGMENT TO BE PRESIDENT

Senator Kerry's contradictions on Iraq are the wrong signal to send to our troops on the ground, to our coalition partners, to the Iraqi people and to the terrorists seeking our destruction. On the eve of Prime Minister Allawi's visit to the United States, Senator Kerry today said that America and the world are 'less secure' now that Saddam Hussein is out of power.

The American people disagree and last December, so did Senator Kerry. At the time he said that those who believe the world was safer with Saddam Hussein in power 'don't have the judgment to be president.'

I agree.

Gen. Tommy Franks (Ret.)
September 21, 2004

KERRY HAS PERSONALITY DISORDER THAT WILL ENDANGER AMERICA

Senator Kerry has demonstrated a dangerous propensity to slip into multiple personalities depending on the audience he is addressing. This was clear of his Vietnam service and his actions upon returning home. It has been clear as a senator in his actions on various issues related to Iraq.

It is a personality disorder that will endanger America in the event that he is elected president.

Lt. Col. Jim Zumwalt, U.S. Marine Corps (Ret.)

NEW! compleatjohnkerry.blogspot.com

NEW! unfitforcommand.blogspot.com

johnkerryisdangerousforamerica.blogspot.com

COPYRIGHT MIA T 2004

THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE
KERRY'S "GLOBAL TEST" FOR PREEMPTION:
WHY SECURITY MOMS WILL VOTE FOR BUSH

WHY JOHN KERRY IS DANGEROUS FOR AMERICA

 

by Mia T, 10.01.04

 

BUSH: I WILL ACT PREEMPTIVELY TO PROTECT AMERICA

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KERRY: I WILL REQUIRE 'A GLOBAL TEST' TO ACT PREEMPTIVELY

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LEHRER: New question. Two minutes, Senator Kerry.

What is your position on the whole concept of preemptive war?

KERRY: The president always has the right, and always has had the right, for preemptive strike. That was a great doctrine throughout the Cold War. And it was always one of the things we argued about with respect to arms control....

But if and when you do it, Jim, you have to do it in a way that passes the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people understand fully why you're doing what you're doing and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons....

LEHRER: Ninety seconds.

BUSH: Let me -- I'm not exactly sure what you mean, "passes the global test," you take preemptive action if you pass a global test.

My attitude is you take preemptive action in order to protect the American people, that you act in order to make this country secure.

ENTIRE ARTICLE 

COPYRIGHT MIA T 2004

HEAR THE FIRST VEEP DEBATE NOW! (the whole ball of wax)

CHENEY WARNS AMERICA: THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT OUR SURVIVAL
KERRY-EDWARDS TRIES TO SHUT DOWN DEBATE

 

WHY JOHN KERRY IS DANGEROUS FOR AMERICA

 

by Mia T, 9.09.04

 

CHENEY WARNS AMERICA: THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT OUR SURVIVAL

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thanx to Wolverine and jla for locating the audio


KERRY-EDWARDS TRIES TO SHUT DOWN 'SURVIVAL' DEBATE

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"It's absolutely essential that eight weeks from today on November 2^nd, we make the right choice because if we make the wrong choice, the danger is that we'll get hit again, that we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States and then we'll fall back into the pre-9/11 mindset, if you will, that in fact these terrorist attacks are just criminal acts and that we're not really at war."

Dick Cheney

"We were not at war in the 1990s."

John Kerry

• "I think there's been an exaggeration; [President Bush] has exaggerated the threat of terrorism. There needs to be a refocusing. They are really misleading all of America... in a profound way."
  
  

• "The War on Terror is less... is occasionally military but it's primarily an intelligence and law enforcement operation."
  
  

• "The Bush Administration is so entralled by the idea of preemption and American military might. This is the consequence of the policy that regards legitimacy as largely a product of force and victory as primarily a triump of arms."
  
  

• "A threat that is real and imminent. That is the only justificatiion for going to war."

John Kerry

"Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike?

If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late.

Trusting in [their] sanity and restraint... is not a strategy, and it is not an option."

George Bush
State of the Union Address
The U.S. Capitol
January 28, 2003

"Dick Cheney's fear tactics crossed the line. What it says to the American people: 'If you go to the polls in November and elect anyone else but us and another terrorist attack occurs, it's your fault.' This is un-American. Except the truth is and proves once again that they'll do anything and say anything to keep their jobs. Protecting the American people from terrorist attacks and from vicious terrorists is not a Republican issue and is not a Democratic issue. It's an American issue and George Bush and Dick Cheney should know that.

John Edwards

 

 

 

et's get real, people. Universal health care schemes or abortion-friendly justices have little utility if we're blown to bits.

There is a reason lifelong liberal Democrats like the former Mayor of New York, Ed Koch, and the Hollywood actor, Ron Silver, who agree with George Bush on absolutely nothing domestically, are not only voting this November for a Republican presidential candidate for the first time in their lives--they are, in fact, campaigning vigorously for his reelection.

Ed Koch and Ron Silver are supporting George Bush because they know what all rational, informed voters know--only one issue matters in this, the first post-9/11 presidential election: Who would better prosecute the War on Terror, George Bush or John Kerry?

The choice could not be more clear.

THE LETHAL DIFFERENCE: THE BUSH DOCTRINE v. THE NEO-NEOLIBERAL, ANIMAL FARM MENTALITY

• President Bush and Dick Cheney, as enunciated in The Bush Doctrine, advocate preemption and overwhelming military might.
  

• Kerry and Edwards, The Men From Hope, (been there, done that), advocate "a more sensitive war". . . a defensive-only war. . . the hope that tomorrow will be a better day.

 

THE WHOLE BALL OF WAX

This difference is the whole ball of wax, people.
No less than Western Civilization hangs in the balance.

When terrorists declare war on you and commit acts of war against you, you are perforce at war.
At that point, you have only one decision to make:
Do you fight?
Or do you surrender?

Bush chose fight.
clinton and Kerry -- repeatedly and invariably -- chose surrender.

KERRY-EDWARDS TRIES TO SHUT DOWN THE DEBATE

In an effort to shut down debate on this issue -- clearly a losing one for Kerry-Edwards -- John Edwards labeled Cheney's warning "un-American."

I have news for the two Johns. Nothing is more American than acting to preserve, protect and defend America. And nothing is more un-American than thwarting that effort.

 

COPYRIGHT MIA T 2004

 

 

election update!
JOHN KERRY IS UNFIT~THE SERIES

DUELFER REPORT ON IRAQ RENDERS KERRY "A COMPLACENT FOOL" OR "AN UTTER FRAUD"

WHICH DANGEROUS MAN?

YOO-HOO! SECURITY MOMS:
THE TERRORISTS ARE TARGETING YOUR KIDS!

DEBATE ONE
NO GYP SHEET

Est-ce que je peux?
préemption et l'essai global

KERRY'S "GLOBAL TEST" FOR PREEMPTION:
WHY SECURITY MOMS WILL VOTE FOR BUSH

Diane Sawyer Nails Kerry Peril
PREEMPTION + KERRY'S EX POST FACTO REASONING

WINDSURFER WATERLOO
why the surfboard--not the snowboard--is (to mix war metaphors) Kerry's Achilles' heel

Windsurfing in the Persian Gulf

John "One Position on Iraq" Kerry's 1971 Replay

YOO-HOO DAN RATHER!
KERRY'S BELATED "HONORABLE" DISCHARGE:
Is a less-than-honorable discharge and clinton "pardon" behind Kerry's refusal to sign form 180 to release ALL of his records?

RATHERGATE IS ANOTHER WATERGATE: The Nexus

CARL BERNSTEIN: RATHERGATE MAY BE ANOTHER WATERGATE

CLUELESS: O'REILLY AND PODHORETZ ON RATHERGATE

THE KERRY-RATHER-BARNES FORGERIES DECONSTRUCTED

HEAR THE FIRST VEEP DEBATE NOW! (the whole ball of wax)
CHENEY WARNS AMERICA: THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT OUR SURVIVAL
KERRY-EDWARDS TRIES TO SHUT DOWN DEBATE

KERRY'S VIETNAM FIXATION
PART 1: advice from bill

Kerry's new W offensive

YOO-HOO! UNDECIDEDS + "PERSUADABLES"
HEAR THE SPEECH JOHN KERRY DOESN'T WANT YOU TO HEAR
(WHY INFORMED, RATIONAL DEMOCRATS WILL VOTE FOR BUSH)

DECONSTRUCTING ZELL MILLER

EXPLOITING MAX CLELAND

Kerry is UNFIT #21: THUMBSUCKER SERIES
BOARDHEAD TO THE RESCUE

The Left's Fatally Flawed "Animal Farm" Mentality
(Why America Must NEVER AGAIN Elect a Democrat President)

Kerry is UNFIT #20: THUMBSUCKER SERIES
PREEMPTION-(the whole ball of wax)

CONTEMPLATING KERRY'S "GUT"

A PRESIDENT KERRY MAY BE ABHORRENT
...BUT IS IT EVEN CONSTITUTIONAL?

getting kerry's goat
john kerry lacks presidential temperament

Two Psychologists on Kerry: Dangerous on National Security

YOO-HOO! followthemoney.org. . .
OVER HERE!

"bombastic ass" is not the antidote to "boorish ass"
(or why Keith Olbermann Cannot Do Cleanup for Chris Matthews)

UNFIT #19:
JOHN KERRY'S "MORE SENSITIVE WAR ON TERROR"

THE COMPLEAT JOHN KERRY
WHY JOHN KERRY IS DANGEROUS FOR AMERICA

Kerry, NOT Bush, paralyzed by 9/11 attacks
Hear Kerry admit he could not think

THE DEMOCRATS ARE GONNA GET US KILLED (kerry, clinton + sandy berger's pants) SERlES ³
UNFIT #10: 9/10 mindset

THE DEMOCRATS ARE GONNA GET US KILLED (kerry, clinton + sandy berger's pants) SERlES ₂
KERRY-DEMOCRAT CONTEMPT FOR NATIONAL SECURITY[annotated]

THE DEMOCRATS-ARE-GONNA-GET-US-KILLED (kerry, clinton + sandy berger's pants) SERlES₁

dox in sox on lummox in box on fox

THE REAL "REAL DEAL"
(what Kerry's commanders and crewmates REALLY think of him--with transcripts)

Did John Kerry pick a running mate or hire a lawyer when he selected John Edwards?

THE MAN FROM HOPE: been there, done that

"Hope is on the way!" (the scoop)

THE TERRORISTS' USEFUL IDIOTS
all the usual suspects

A Vote for Kerry is a Vote for the Terrorists

ELECTION BOTTOM LINE:
TERRORIST SYMPATHIZER or TERRORIST ANNIHILATOR

JOHN KERRY IS UNFIT SERIES: 8/10/04 UPDATE!
taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief

JOHN KERRY IS UNFIT SERIES:
taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief

UNFIT #9-JOHN KERRY: DEADLY OPPORTUNIST
SELF-CONFESSED WAR CRIMlNAL MORPHS INTO SELF-PROMOTER WAR HERO

UNFIT #6: The Deadly Kerry-Hollywood Axis
HOW CAN YOU PUT YOUR CHILDREN'S LIVES IN ITS HANDS?

UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#1-making the tough choices in a post-9/11 world
UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#2-understanding the job description

UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#3-sang-froid and the "nuclear" button

UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#4 - Kerry champions tolerance for terrorists

sanitizing evil
Kerry Cabal Censors Nick Berg Decapitation

"Loose Cannon" Kerry's AWOL/PURPLE-HEART FRAUD

pro-islamofascist-terrorist radical chic

USEFUL IDIOTS

MOORE IS LESS--THE MOVIE

The Cycle of Violence:
NOW WITH HYPERLINKED INSTRUCTION MANUAL

JOHN KERRY'S RECKLESS TET-OFFENSIVE-GAMBIT REPLAY:
the left's jihad against America is killing our troops, aiding + abetting the terrorists and imperiling all Americans

bill clinton, boy "genius," unwittingly bares all on BBC

deconstructing clinton… "just because I could"

vetting missus clinton...

The Parallel Universe of Jamie Gorelick

nepotism + tokenism = a nancy pelosi
(or a hillary clinton)

Kerry's Belated Condemnation Focuses on Process
Kerry Lacks Moral Authority to Condemn Content

"CRY BUSH" + Iraqi-Prisoner "Abuse"
What are the Dems up to?

DON'T BELIEVE YOUR LYING EARS (The Perjurer Returns)
(Clinton: Claims I Turned Down Bin Laden are 'Bull')

The Mary Jo White Memo:
Documentation of clintons' and Gorelick's willful, seditious malfeasance

What is the REAL Reason for Gorelick's Wall?

giant sucking sound
KERRY MAKES DUKAKIS LOOK CONSERVATIVE, SMART + JUDICIOUS

Q ERTY6 ^{utter failure}_BUMP

Lib Author Regrets Voting (TWICE!) for clinton
"Sickened" by clinton's Failure to Protect America from Terrorism

MUST-READ BOOK FOR DEMOCRATS:
How clintons' Failures Unleashed Global Terror
(Who in his right mind would ever want the clintons back in the Oval Office?)

The Man Who Warned America
(Why a Rapist is Not a Fit President)

UDAY: "The end is near… this time I think the… Americans are serious, Bush is not like Clinton."

 

 

MORE

 

[Mia T]

A suggested mass E-mailing---just copy and paste:

subject:
OUR CHILDREN AND THE KERRY PERIL:
in Kerry's own words

YOO-HOO! SECURITY MOMS:
THE TERRORISTS ARE TARGETING YOUR KIDS! (ABC report)

• GEORGE BUSH WILL ACT PREEMPTIVELY TO PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN
  
• AS HIS 34-YEAR RECORD PROVES . . . JOHN KERRY WILL NOT
  

     discussion, analysis

"It's absolutely essential that eight weeks from today on November 2^nd , we make the right choice because if we make the wrong choice, the danger is that we'll get hit again, that we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States and then we'll fall back into the pre-9/11 mindset , if you will, that in fact these terrorist attacks are just criminal acts and that we're not really at war."

Dick Cheney

 

"We were not at war in the 1990s."

John Kerry
(missing the point entirely that the War on Terror began in earnest with the bombing of the WTC in 1993 and bin Laden's subsequent repeated (and unanswered) declarations and acts of war against America).

 

 

"I think there's been an exaggeration; [President Bush] has exaggerated the threat of terrorism. There needs to be a refocusing. They are really misleading all of America... in a profound way."

John Kerry
Democratic presidential debate, January 29, 2004, Greenville, S.C.

 

"The War on Terror is less... is occasionally military but it's primarily an intelligence and law enforcement operation.

John Kerry

 

"The Bush Administration is so entralled by the idea of preemption and American military might. This is the consequence of the policy that regards legitimacy as largely a product of force and victory as primarily a triump of arms."

John Kerry
COUNCIL FOR FOREIGN RELATIONS , 3 December 2003

 

"A threat that is real and imminent. That is the only justificatiion for going to war."

John Kerry
acceptance speech, July 29, 2004

 

"Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late. Trusting in [their] sanity and restraint... is not a strategy, and it is not an option."

George Bush
State of the Union Address, The U.S. Capitol, January 28, 2003

 

"I listened to what Senator Kerry had to say in Boston [Kerry acceptance speech], and, with all due respect to the Senator, he views the world as if we had never been attacked on September 11th. The job of the Commander-in-Chief, as he sees it, is to use America's military strength to respond to attacks. But September 11th showed us, as surely as anything can, that we must act against gathering dangers - not wait for to be attacked. That awful day left some 3,000 of our fellow citizens dead, and everything we have learned since tells us the terrorists would do worse if they could, and that they will even use chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons against us if they can. In the world we live in now, responding to attacks is not enough. We must do everything in our power to prevent attacks -- and that includes using military force." 

Dick Cheney

 

PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE ONE:

LEHRER: New question. Two minutes, Senator Kerry.
What is your position on the whole concept of preemptive war?

KERRY: The president always has the right, and always has had the right, for preemptive strike. That was a great doctrine throughout the Cold War. And it was always one of the things we argued about with respect to arms control.... But if and when you do it, Jim, you have to do it in a way that passes the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people understand fully why you're doing what you're doing and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons....

LEHRER: Ninety seconds.

BUSH: Let me -- I'm not exactly sure what you mean, "passes the global test," you take preemptive action if you pass a global test.
My attitude is you take preemptive action in order to protect the American people, that you act in order to make this country secure.





Good Morning America
September 29, 2004

JOHN KERRY:
"We should not have gone to war, knowing the information we know today....


DIANE SAWYER:
"So, it was not worth it."


JOHN KERRY:
"You should not -- eh -- it depends on the outcome, ultimately, and that depends on the leadership. And we need better leadership to get the job done successfully. I would not have gone to war knowing there was no imminent threat, weapons of mass destruction, there was no connection with al Qaeda and to Saddam Hussein. The president -- eh -- misled the American people. Plain and simple. Bottom line."


DIANE SAWYER:
"So, if it turns out okay, it was worth it? -- "


JOHN KERRY (interrupts) :
"No."


DIANE SAWYER:
"...but now it wasn -- ?"


JOHN KERRY (interrupts again) :
"It was a mistake to do what he did but we have to succeed now that we've done it.

Good Morning America
September 29, 2004
for discussion, goto:
Diane Sawyer Nails Kerry Peril (PREEMPTION + KERRY'S EX POST FACTO REASONING)




Larry King Live
July 8, 2004

"Well, I haven't been briefed [about the new al Qaeda plans of a large-scale attack on the United States] yet, Larry. They have offered to brief me; I just haven't had time."

John Kerry
Larry King Live, July 8, 2004
(NB: Radio City, July 8, 2004, Nantucket, July 17, 2004)

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[Tom D.]

What in the hell is up with Mark Halperin? Ten years ago, I enjoyed his columns on the editorial page of the Wall St. Journal and other places. He had a unique style and used it often to curse the Clintons for their weaselness. I cannot imagine him pulling for the likes of John Kerry.

[RAY]

What is all of the above about? It is very difficult to follow such a garbled presentation.

[martian_22]

How do you keep so clean examining such filthy thought? Keep up the good work.

BTTT!

[Mia T]

The difference is in the "i." You are referring to Mark Halpern.

[Mia T]

thx. ;)

[Mia T]

ping

[beyond the sea]

The people's responsibility has "become quite grave."

What people?

These media freaks clearly see themselves as the arrangers and facilitators of the people who will take the reigns of government, and I for one, am really getting extremely tired of it - to the point of my entrance to the nut house.

I feel that I have to withdraw from it (the news) because I feel powerless to alter it, and watching this evil day in and day out just makes me physically ill!

[Innisfree]

No wonder we can't get anything remotely intelligent from the MSM. This man's a political director? If the memo is re-printed accurately, he can't even form complete sentences. He ought to be fired for incompetence, never mind bias. Maybe he drinks.

[mrsmel]

Same here,complete frustration coupled with hopes that if I can see it,then surely my fellow citizens(other than the Kool aid drinkers) can.

[CalmCorrectConservPatriotCCCP]

The most amusing part of Mark's memo, is that he has no earthly idea why Kerry should win. I would wager a years salary on that bet.

Have you ever asked a liberal why they are voting for Kerry? Enjoy the stammer and sweat, it's truly cathartic, try it.

[Wolverine]

Another great one, added to your series!

[TASMANIANRED]

MSM steps in it again. The FCC needs to shut the big 3's news departments down completely.

Has anybody filed a FCC complaint yet?

[orangelobster]

"What in the hell is up with Mark Halperin? Ten years ago, I enjoyed his columns on the editorial page of the Wall St. Journal"

This ABC Mark Halperin is a different guy than the Wall Street Journal's Mark Helprin. Helprin is a smart guy and shouldn't be confused with this ABC hack. Here is info. on Helprin.

http://www.claremont.org/about/staff/helprin.html#articles

[Mia T]

yes, you are correct. Mark Helprin.

[Tom D.]

Thanks guys. I was afraid that a good guy had gone over to the dark side.

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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Long time Los Angeles Times Media Critic...

DAVID SHAW: RATHER's work 'Shoddy' Slipshod' not LIBERAL..?

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1227809/posts

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[Fedora]

On another similar name, speaking of Watergate: is Mark Halperin related to Morton Halperin?

[Gail Wynand]

Thanks for focusing on yet another vivid demonstration of the media's ignorance, bias and sedition. One of the best pieces of news of this political season was the recent order by US Dist. Judge Hogan, ordering one of these media scum jailed for contempt in the Novak Plame Wilson investigation. The reporter and her management at the NYT are similarly showing their disdain for this country by arrogantly asserting the right not to be bound by its laws or by the order of our courts. Its almost funny that these unqualified, abysmally myopic, self appointed "elites", believe their position in the media exempts them from both legal duty and from scrutiny of the accuracy of and motives behind their work. One hopes Ms. Millers time in stir, is cold, wet, ugly and demeaning. If God is fair she will soon be joined by Rather, Halperin, Leherer, and the rest of the rotten preening hysterical mob of media elites. Even Rykers Island is to good, however, for the seditious traitors that are being exposed by the internet. In historical terms only the guillotine seems sufficient to satisfy justice required and deserved for the anti social crimes of the MSM.