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Electoral College? It's antiquated (and unfair)
News & Record ^ | 10/01/04 | Rosemary Roberts

Posted on 10/06/2004 10:14:55 PM PDT by Libloather

Electoral College? It's antiquated
Rosemary Roberts
10-1-04
News & Record

When I was in college years ago, I was on the debate team and the national collegiate debate topic was:

"Resolved that the Electoral College should be abolished.''

What goes around comes around, because the Electoral College is back in the news.

On Nov. 2, when Americans go to the polls, the voters of Colorado will decide whether to change that state's winner-take-all electoral system to a proportional distribution of electoral votes.

If the measure (called Amendment 36) is approved, it will apply to the Nov. 2 election in Colorado. The national implications are significant. What starts in the West often migrates to the East and elsewhere in the nation.

Here's how the system currently works:

The U.S. Constitution stipulates that the U.S. president be chosen by electors who make up the Electoral College. We voters don't actually cast our ballots for the candidate but for his party's electors whose names and faces you don't even know.

The Electoral College is composed of 538 electors, and the winning candidate must get a majority of electoral votes.

A state's electoral votes are determined by the size of that state's congressional delegation -- two U.S. senators and a minimum of one House member.

Colorado, which traditionally votes Republican, has nine electoral votes. If, say, 60 percent of its votes go to George W. Bush, he will get all of Colorado's nine electoral votes. The 40 percent who cast their ballot for Sen. John Kerry are essentially disenfranchised. Thus, every vote is not equal.

But if Colorado approves Amendment 36, there would be a proportional distribution of electoral votes. In the above scenario, Bush would win 60 percent of the nine electoral votes, and Kerry would get 40 percent. Amendment 36 stipulates that fractions be rounded off.

If you're on the Bush bandwagon, you'll hope Amendment 36 fails. But think again.

New York state historically goes Democratic, and all of its whopping 31 electoral votes will likely go for Kerry.

Voters in rural and less populous Upstate New York, who traditionally vote GOP, will find their votes to be valueless. Is this fair?

What's more, the current system discourages voter turnout. Why bother to vote if your state always goes for the party you don't support?

And here's another troubling aspect about the current system: What if a presidential candidate wins the popular vote in a state by a one-vote majority. The winner still gets all of that state's electoral votes.

The Electoral College is a ridiculously antiquated system that is patently unfair. The founding fathers, for all their genius, devised the Electoral College because they did not trust the masses who might be swayed by demagogues and the tumult of mobs.

They also assumed that no candidate would get a majority of electoral votes and that the "capable'' House of Representatives would choose the president. (The Constitution states that if no candidate receives a majority of electoral votes, the House will elect the president.)

My personal preference had been to abolish the Electoral College altogether and let the president of the United States be elected by the direct vote of the people. Four presidential candidates -- in 1824, 1876, 1888, 2000 -- won the popular votes but lost the White House. (Al Gore won about 500,000 more popular votes than Bush in the 2000 election.)

But for practical reasons, I'm no longer an advocate of electing the president by direct vote of the people because it would involve amending the U.S. Constitution, a long, tedious process that often goes nowhere.

The founding fathers, however, gave states a loophole. The Constitution mandates an Electoral College but does not specify how states distribute electoral votes.

Thus, Colorado (or any state) has the right to adopt a system whereby a candidate receives a proportion of electoral votes based on the popular votes he receives.

The current winner-take-all system is fraught with many flaws aside from disenfranchising voters. It enables Bush and Kerry not to campaign in their "safe states.'' Thus, Bush doesn't waste time stumping in Texas or Alabama, nor does Kerry show up much in New York state.

Both men focus, instead, on swing states whose electoral votes could put them over the top but whose populations may be far smaller than other states.

If Americans could put partisanship aside for a moment, I suspect most of us would prefer to elect the president by direct vote of the people or by a proportional distribution of electoral votes.

On Nov. 2, Colorado may show us the way. If so, the winner-take-all system would be scrapped and every vote in Colorado would count.

Rosemary Roberts is a News & Record columnist. Her columns run on Fridays.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: antiquated; college; electoral; electoralcollege; unfair
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The Electoral College is a ridiculously antiquated system that is patently unfair.

Wyoming 2003 population - 501,242.
California 2003 population - 35,484,453.

Each state has only two U.S. Senators. Doesn't seem very fair either...

1 posted on 10/06/2004 10:14:55 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Ralph Rossum has a great book which identifies the liberal's hatred of forms that are designed to maintain the integrity of systems.

Liberals are FOR the tyranny of the majority. Don't let them trash the EC.


2 posted on 10/06/2004 10:16:44 PM PDT by gortklattu (check out thotline dot com)
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To: Libloather
Rosemary Roberts is a News & Record columnist.

And a clueless person with no concept of what the Electoral College is yet is commenting on it anyway.

3 posted on 10/06/2004 10:17:36 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Libloather

The socialists whine when the "Big City" ant colonies cannot over-rule 90%+ of this free Republic.

Too F'n kerry bad!


4 posted on 10/06/2004 10:18:36 PM PDT by steplock
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To: Libloather
The Electoral College is a ridiculously antiquated system that is patently unfair.

Life isn't fair.

Greater power for the smaller States was the price that the larger States paid for the smaller States ever agreeing to join the Union.

5 posted on 10/06/2004 10:18:59 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Libloather

It may not be fair, but a state with a low population (or high) should be free to secede without any warfare by vote.


6 posted on 10/06/2004 10:19:09 PM PDT by Kornev
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To: gortklattu
"Liberals are FOR the tyranny of the majority."

Except for wen they use the courts to enforce the tyranny of the minority.
7 posted on 10/06/2004 10:19:46 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (Kurtz had the right answer but the wrong location.)
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To: Libloather

Might as well let the House of Reps vote on the President.

That is representative Democracy.


The E.C. works. Nuff said.


8 posted on 10/06/2004 10:20:08 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: Libloather
The INS raided Robertos tonight, so I cant get a decent burrito. It is not fair. To arms!!
9 posted on 10/06/2004 10:20:44 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Libloather
Here they go again. They thought the EC was so wonderful when it appeared that Bush might win the popular vote and Gore the EC. OOPS, when it turned out the opposite, they suddenly hated that antiquated ole constitutional rule! So transparent.
10 posted on 10/06/2004 10:22:40 PM PDT by ladyinred ("John Kerry reporting for spitball and typewriter duty.")
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To: Kornev

"but a state with a low population (or high) should be free to secede without any warfare by vote."

or divide. A North Texas, Eastern California, and Southern Illinois would do wonders for the senate.


11 posted on 10/06/2004 10:23:13 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: Libloather
The majority of the states like the E C. If not for the E C, a few, a very few, of the more populated states could completely control the white house and the supreme court.
Do you really think that all of these states are going to allow that to happen???
Just keep dreaming your socialists dreams.....
12 posted on 10/06/2004 10:24:04 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Proud Nam Vet)
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To: Libloather

The USA is a Republic of free states, hence -- The United States". It was never a "democracy". It was never intended to be a "democracy". States which would prefer to leave the republic have a mechanism for doing so. Wyoming agreed to join the Republic. The citizens of Wyoming can eitherleave by due process, relocate to Cuba, or whatever.


13 posted on 10/06/2004 10:24:08 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (CBS's story is sinking faster than Uncle Ted's Oldsmobile.)
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To: Libloather
Here are some other recent threads about the Electoral College.

Discover Magazine | Sept. 30, 2004 | Math Against Tyranny

MSNBC | 9/27/04 | Split Colorado's electoral votes?

The Vail Trail | Thursday, September 30, 2004 | Eye of the storm: Amendment 36 could put Colorado in the center of a political hurricane

14 posted on 10/06/2004 10:24:08 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: Libloather

Ignoring any other aspect of the issue, why are Coloradans allowing a Californian to try and rewrite their laws?


15 posted on 10/06/2004 10:24:48 PM PDT by swilhelm73 (The road to heaven on earth always seems to detour to hell on earth. --Daniel J. Flynn)
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To: Libloather
These people either don't know what a Federal Republic is or know and want it destroyed for their own ends. The Union fundamentally changed when Senators started being directly elected. We end up with used car salesmen who promise goodies for Senators rather than statesmen like Clay, Calhoun, Douglas, and the like. Before this most state legislatures would attempt to send its most accomplished and eloquent statesmen to the Senate as its Ambassador to the Union. Few legislatures would send some personal opportunist who would embarass them.

The Electoral College is another remnant of the old Union and one of the last signs that we are a Federal Republic.

If it goes away, the United States will become a whole different country and the Presidency will become a whole new beast.
16 posted on 10/06/2004 10:25:06 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Libloather

Over my dead body. The Founders set up the Electoral College so that ALL regions of the country would be represented, not just NY and Cal. If not for the equity, we would have mob rule and our politicians chosen by California, New York and Seattle. The rest of us would have our vote trampled by the Democratic cities. There would be no point on us even going to the polls.


17 posted on 10/06/2004 10:25:34 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: Jet Jaguar

I dunno about Texas, we're very hardcore conservative.

I wouldn't want to break us up too much.. Unless we just cut off the border region. And, if we did that, I'd say let those be Mexican lands, inlcuding el paso.


18 posted on 10/06/2004 10:25:49 PM PDT by Kornev
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To: ladyinred

Every time someone says the want to get rid of the EC, ask them if they want to get rid of the senate too. The senate is based on the same premis. Why should RI, NH, VT have the same number of senators as Texas?

It won't take them long to realize that they would have no voice in national politics if the senate was gone.


19 posted on 10/06/2004 10:26:20 PM PDT by Soliton (Alone with everyone else.)
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To: swilhelm73
Ignoring any other aspect of the issue, why are Coloradans allowing a Californian to try and rewrite their laws?

It just demonstrates why the US Constitution specifies the legislature and not referena as the body with the authority to determine the method by which a state's electors are selected.

20 posted on 10/06/2004 10:27:27 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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