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Is the Sun really hot?
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Posted on 10/06/2004 8:44:49 AM PDT by -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-

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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
"The Arch-Absurd: According to the Assertion of Beelzebub, Our Sun Neither Lights Nor Heats"

-G.I. Gurdjieff, Beelzebub's Tales to his Grandson, Chapter 17


41 posted on 10/06/2004 9:34:06 AM PDT by PianoMan (Don't be polling girlie-men!)
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-

Maybe the sun works like a microwave - the unit itself doesn't get hot, but the food inside does. We'll never know for sure, though, until we construct a sun-sized thermometer.


42 posted on 10/06/2004 9:38:42 AM PDT by searchandrecovery (Socialist America - diseased and dysfunctional.)
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To: zot

ping


43 posted on 10/06/2004 9:45:16 AM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
Don't know how many other errors there are in this article; I stopped reading when I got to this one:

"For instance, when gases are compressed, as under gravity, they also heat up, and this makes them expand."

When gases are compressed, they increase in temperature; they then give off heat, due to the temperature differential.
Compressing gases doesn't "make them expand." That's a ludicrous statement.

44 posted on 10/06/2004 9:46:46 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
Is the Sun really hot?

Well, Page 3 is certainly hot.

45 posted on 10/06/2004 9:52:20 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Crazieman
Mathematically they determined there are 3 types of neutrinos.

Out of curiosity, did they ever experimentally prove the existence of all three types, or is this just a mathematical construct? Understand, I don't have a dog in this fight, but I hate to see untested equations masqueraded as solutions to difficult scientific problems.

46 posted on 10/06/2004 9:56:45 AM PDT by Buggman (Your failure to be informed does not make me a kook.)
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-

"'If this mass of gas . . . would begin to rotate upon itself, it would necessarily assume a progressively flatter ellipsoidal form as its rotational velocity increased. And . . the Ranque effect would begin to be exerted, therefore producing a cooling at the centre and a heating of the periphery of the ellipsoid.'"

Not much into physics but from what I gather:

If we tell that bag of gas, Jeffink, to rotate, eventually he will freeze up and stfu?

Seems worth a shot....


47 posted on 10/06/2004 10:06:50 AM PDT by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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To: fishtank
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48 posted on 10/06/2004 10:07:00 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Don't tell my mother I work for CBS. She thinks I'm a towel boy in a bordello.)
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-

I think someone heard the term "freezer burn" and got the wrong idea.

I checked out the website.
Lottery ESP
Perpetual Motion

IQ level of 6, tops.


49 posted on 10/06/2004 10:10:24 AM PDT by A Real Dan Fan... NOT (Kerry/Edwards..2 pigs trying to screw a football. Lots of gruntin & groanin, nothing getting done.)
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To: longshadow; VadeRetro; balrog666; general_re; RadioAstronomer; js1138; whattajoke; Shryke; ...
Uranus ping list. (If you want on or off this list, don't tell me; let me guess.)
50 posted on 10/06/2004 10:22:53 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Hic amor, haec patria est.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Well, for his theory to be complete he has got to explain novas and super novas. Interesting idea, if true should our gas giants be hot too? What is the rotation for say Jupitor? Or Saturn.


51 posted on 10/06/2004 10:26:42 AM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994/2004 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: Wonder Warthog

Well, for his theory to be complete he has got to explain novas and super novas. Interesting idea, if true should our gas giants be hot too? What is the rotation for say Jupitor? Or Saturn.


52 posted on 10/06/2004 10:27:54 AM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994/2004 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: Nick The Freeper

Your link is invalid, and Kelvin is measured in degrees.


53 posted on 10/06/2004 10:30:09 AM PDT by hyperpoly8 (Illegitimati Non Carborundum)
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To: Crazieman
Invented another particle to make the theory work huh? hahahaha, particle physics is fun!
54 posted on 10/06/2004 10:32:40 AM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994/2004 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: Physicist
Come on. This is a joke.

Would you mind specifically explaining why? Thanks.

55 posted on 10/06/2004 10:41:13 AM PDT by Shryke (Never retreat. Never explain. Get it done and let them howl.)
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To: hyperpoly8
Take off the period and the link is valid -http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/kelvin.html

From the site:
The 13th CGPM (1967) adopted the name kelvin (symbol K) instead of "degree Kelvin" (symbol °K) and defined the unit of thermodynamic temperature as follows:
The kelvin, unit of thermodynamic temperature, is the fraction 1/273.16 of the thermodynamic temperature of the triple point of water.

From http://www.simetric.co.uk/sibasis.htm - unit "degree Celsius" is therefore equal to the unit "kelvin." (note: not degree Kelvin)

I'd be interested in knowing what standards body has changed it.

56 posted on 10/06/2004 10:42:23 AM PDT by Nick The Freeper
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To: Shryke
Would you mind specifically explaining why? Thanks.

Energy conservation. The heat of collapse comes from the gravitational potential energy. If the collapsing cloud was gravitationally bound in the first place--i.e. able to collapse--then there's no way for the collapse to generate enough heat to dissipate the cloud.

Balls don't bounce higher than from where they're dropped.

57 posted on 10/06/2004 10:46:43 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: hyperpoly8
Actually, we just say "Kelvin" nowadays. "Degrees" is redundant.
58 posted on 10/06/2004 10:48:44 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: Nick The Freeper

What that says is that one degree centigrade is the same amount of heat as one degree of kelvin. Kelvin just starts at minus 273 degrees centigrade for its zero temperature, and works up from there.


59 posted on 10/06/2004 10:52:40 AM PDT by hyperpoly8 (Illegitimati Non Carborundum)
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-

Geez, Louise! I just love partaking in all the polysyllabic ramblings of the socially deprived. (Too much "alone" time on their hands...)

I'm all for intelligence...and darned if I don't feel awestruck at scientific innovation.

But...come one now - what more do we need to know about the sun than THE DAMN THING'S HOT -- DON'T TOUCH IT!

OK, I feel better now. :-)


60 posted on 10/06/2004 10:52:53 AM PDT by Don Simmons (Annoy a liberal: Work hard; Prosper; Be Happy.)
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