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Bush: Kerry Misleading Public On Stem-Cell Issue
AP ^ | 10/4

Posted on 10/04/2004 3:36:40 PM PDT by ambrose

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1 posted on 10/04/2004 3:36:40 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: ambrose

Kerry is a serial liar.


2 posted on 10/04/2004 3:39:26 PM PDT by syriacus (A vote for John Kerry is a vote for a well-manicured gas bag.)
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To: ambrose

Amazing! I just saw a talking head from 'American Enterprise Institute" on a balanced report on ABC, explaining that there is no "ban." Who'd a thunk it?


3 posted on 10/04/2004 3:39:39 PM PDT by Dutchgirl (Burma shave!)
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To: ambrose

Here is a good article on this very subject:

Of Stem Cells and Fairy Tales
Of Stem Cells and Fairy Tales
Scientists who have been telling Nancy Reagan that embryonic stem cell research could cure Alzheimer's now admit that it isn't true.
by Wesley J. Smith
06/10/2004 3:00:00 PM
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"PEOPLE NEED A FAIRY TALE," Ronald D.G. McKay, a stem cell researcher at the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke, told Washington Post reporter Rick Weiss, explaining why scientists have allowed society to believe wrongly that stem cells are likely to effectively treat Alzheimer's disease. "Maybe that's unfair, but they need a story line that's relatively simple to understand."

Or maybe Big Biotech needs access to taxpayer dollars to fund embryonic stem cell and cloning research--private investors generally give companies engaged in these endeavors a cold shoulder--and they are using famous grief stricken families like the Reagans to do their political lifting. If true, it demonstrates a depth of insincerity and disingenuousness that is as cruel as it is unjustifiable.

Here's the story: Researchers have apparently known for some time that embryonic stem cells will not be an effective treatment for Alzheimer's, because as two researchers told a Senate subcommittee in May, it is a "whole brain disease," rather than a cellular disorder (such as Parkinson's). This has generally been kept out of the news. But now, Washington Post correspondent Rick Weiss, has blown the lid off of the scam, reporting that while useful abstract information might be gleaned about Alzheimer's through embryonic stem cell research, "stem cell experts confess . . . that of all the diseases that may be someday cured by embryonic stem cell treatments, Alzheimer's is among the least likely to benefit."

But people like Nancy Reagan have been allowed to believe otherwise, "a distortion"
Weiss writes that "is not being aggressively corrected by scientists." Why? The false story line helps generate public support for the biotech political agenda. As Weiss noted, "It [Nancy Reagan's statement in support of ESCR] is the kind of advocacy that researchers have craved for years, and none wants to slow its momentum."

This is a scandal. Misrepresentation by omission corrupts one of the primary purposes of science, which is to provide society objective information about the state of scientific knowledge without regard to the political consequences. Such data then serves as a foundation for crucial moral analysis about whether and how controversial fields of scientific inquiry should be regulated, a debate in which all are entitled to participate. But we can't do so intelligently if we are not told the truth.

Some scientists have become alarmed by how politicized science has become. As Roger Pielke, Jr., Director of the Center for Science and Technology Policy Research at the University of Colorado warned two years ago in the prestigious science journal Nature, "Many scientists [now] willingly adopt tactics of demagoguery and character assassination as well as, or even instead of, reasoned argument," in promoting their views. This politicization of science, he worried, has led some scientists, "not to mention lawyers and those with commercial interests," to "manipulate 'facts' to support" their advocacy, "undermining the scientific community's ability to advise policy makers." Consequently, he warned, science "is becoming yet another playing field for power politics, complete with the trappings of political spin and a win-at-all-costs attitude."




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4 posted on 10/04/2004 3:40:25 PM PDT by 2ThumbsUp
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To: ambrose

Stem Cells? There are Terrorists out there plotting how to Kill American Civilians, Iran is developing a Nuke, NOrrth Korea is testing missles in the Pacific and Kerry is worried about Stem Cells? MAN, everytime he opens his mouth Kerry shows even MORE reason why he is unfit to be President!


5 posted on 10/04/2004 3:41:44 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Vote Bush 2004-We have solutions, not slogans)
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To: MNJohnnie

Stem cell research is the new snake oil. You can promise cures for anything and credible people will believe you.


6 posted on 10/04/2004 3:49:20 PM PDT by jwalburg (Daschle election gear: http://www.cafepress.com/southdakotapdq)
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To: ambrose

if embryonic stem cell research had any potential, the drug companies would be pumping millions into it. They're not.


7 posted on 10/04/2004 3:53:28 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: ambrose
As a biological scientist I am certain stem cell research will eventually provide undreamed of advances in medicine. As a human,- I hate the moral issues of humans breeding to provide research material to use to get to those advances.

But, the fact remains, President Bush's position does not ban stem cell research in any way. He has only stopped federal funds from being spent on the development and research on new cell lines. My understanding is that biotech companies are in no way restricted in their research direction. And this is as it should be.

The companies will eventually develop the advances. They will pay the bills entailed in proving safety and efficacy, and they will market the products and make big bucks. At the same time they will be harassed by Tort lawyers (like "senator" Edwards) and spend big bucks defending themselves.
8 posted on 10/04/2004 3:56:58 PM PDT by Boiler
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To: ambrose

He's directly referencing Hillary-care? LOL!

Okay, all of you that spent the weekend focused on what Bush should have said, I think he heard you. It sounds like he's changed his stump speech, probably a warm up for later in the week.


9 posted on 10/04/2004 4:23:09 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: 2ThumbsUp

That is what I heard from the begining. I learned it here on FR.


10 posted on 10/04/2004 4:35:20 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: Boiler
As a biological scientist I am certain stem cell research will eventually provide undreamed of advances in medicine. As a human,- I hate the moral issues of humans breeding to provide research material to use to get to those advances.

What reason is there to believe that embryonic stem cells will have any useful feature not found in some other sorts?

It seems to me that the "design purpose" of an embryonic stem cell is to spontaneously produce many different kids of cells, while the purpose of other (seemingly more useful) stem cells is to be directable to produce lots of one kind of cell. A newly-conceived embryo won't have anything external to control what its stem cells produce, so its stem cells must necessarily 'do their own thing'. But for all the therapies I know of, cells which respond to external direction are much more useful than those that direct themselves internally.

11 posted on 10/04/2004 4:47:16 PM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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To: satchmodog9

Thank you for the response. I am to posting here. But what a great site this is! I posted it because (now that the election is around the corner) I am noticing the topic coming up again. And in case someone didn't see this article, it is a good one to have on hand for people who are concerned with this. I am with the other folks who feel there are a many more pressing worries, than this one. But it's good to be prepared for everything.


12 posted on 10/04/2004 4:54:48 PM PDT by 2ThumbsUp
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To: Boiler

Why does this acticle not mention the distinction between embryonic stem cells and adult stem cells?

In fact adult stem cells were not mentioned in the article at all. From my understanding, embryonic stem cells have achieved no successful usage, whereas adult stem cells, from umbilical cord blood for example, have seen success.

This is a critical distinction and I believe it shows the mindset of the folks pushing embryonic stem cells. They support abortion and cannot allow this restriction, otherwise we head down the "slippery slope" back to sanity and restrictions on abortion.


13 posted on 10/04/2004 4:58:54 PM PDT by Freakazoid
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To: ambrose

I am very pleased to see the Bush campaign strike back today on this.

Poor Stephanie Cutter, did she see the Pew and WaPo polls come out?


14 posted on 10/04/2004 5:03:29 PM PDT by cyncooper (Have I mentioned lately that I despise the media?)
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Okay, all of you that spent the weekend focused on what Bush should have said, I think he heard you. It sounds like he's changed his stump speech, probably a warm up for later in the week.

Fox played a clip of President Bush at a rally today and a lady in the audience said "You sound great. Please at the next debate tell that opponent you have everything you said here today". President Bush said he would!

15 posted on 10/04/2004 5:05:37 PM PDT by cyncooper (Have I mentioned lately that I despise the media?)
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To: jackbill

=== if embryonic stem cell research had any potential, the drug companies would be pumping millions into it. They're not.


No, the government is ... courtesy of our Pro-Life President who neatly DOUBLED the budget of the NIH and, with his decision on stem cells, obviated the need for them to term stem cell research "human research" since a new window of Non-Personhood had been nailed wide open.

I guess the folks we really have to thank, however, are the forward-looking GOP -- like George's Dad, then Rep. Bush and head of the GOP task force on "Earth Resources & Population" -- for establishing in 1970 a "right" to predetermine the sex of one's children.

Without this new "Right," we'd never have been in the business of profiteer third-party sex partners to ensure that homosexuals and sterile heteros alike could overcome the limits of Evolution and assure us the means for that "Great Leap Forward" only dreamt of by ardent eugenicits like the Harrimans and their business partners among the heart of the American Eugenics Society at New Haven.


16 posted on 10/04/2004 5:12:13 PM PDT by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: ambrose
It's the "HEY ... Gore STOLE my idea on faithbased partnerships!" schtick all over again. Thank goodness for tried and true sticky wickets like abortion and the Viet Nam war. Who knew those 30-year old scabs still could be picked to bleed on cue?
17 posted on 10/04/2004 5:14:01 PM PDT by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: syriacus

bttt!


18 posted on 10/04/2004 5:16:37 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: cyncooper

LOL!!! Do you happen to remember if that clip was run on a show that will be repeated tonight? I'd love to see it.


19 posted on 10/04/2004 5:58:23 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Soul Seeker; EllaMinnow

I would think so. Ella, was that lady at the rally shown during Brit's "Special Report"?


20 posted on 10/04/2004 6:00:11 PM PDT by cyncooper (Have I mentioned lately that I despise the media?)
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