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1 posted on 10/04/2004 2:09:25 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

On the day Hitch forgives Henry Kissinger for helping to save the west from communism, we can welcome him to the right.


2 posted on 10/04/2004 2:15:26 AM PDT by risk
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To: kattracks

Sigh


3 posted on 10/04/2004 2:26:35 AM PDT by andyk
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To: kattracks

This was quite anti-climactic for me. I'm still waiting for someone to define neoconservatism for me. Although this article implies that it's a term that's been in vogue for decades, I've really only heard it used for the past couple of years.


4 posted on 10/04/2004 2:28:59 AM PDT by andyk
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To: kattracks

Hitchins can still uncork some pretty leftist sentiments. That doesn't place him in my, 'A good guy to call when you need to sway public opinion' column.

When he's right, it's nice to read. When he's not, it sucks.

Since you can't honestly tell which side he'll come down on, you have to dismiss the guy for the most part.

If you can keep the debate narrowly focused, he may be good on some issues. The problem with guys like this though, is that they will kill you on the periferal issues. People too often reason that if he is solid on "X", then he must be right on "XX" too. With Hitchins, that's a flawed assumption.


9 posted on 10/04/2004 3:00:40 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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"I had to ask myself - is there an international socialist movement worth the name? No. No, there is not. Okay - will it revive? No, it won't. Okay then - but is there at least a critique of capitalism that has a potential for replacing it? Not that I can identify."

Funny, but I sometimes have similar musings about the conservative right. Who in the U.S. Senate still stands for them? All I see is a constant parade of folks like you saw at the GOP convention - big government "conservatives" that don't want to shrink our burdensome federalocracy or even defederalize it. They just want to keep liberal hands away from it by acting neoliberal themselves.

I can sympathize with Hitch. Many times I feel my party has left me. I just don't reach the same conclusions as he has because our goals are different.

10 posted on 10/04/2004 3:01:50 AM PDT by Tall_Texan (Let's REALLY Split The Country! (http://righteverytime3.blogspot.com))
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I have always had respect for Hitchens. He's one of the few on the (used-to-be?) left that actually thinks for himself, instead of mouthing talking points from HQ.

He sounds like someone with whom one could have a reasonable debate, IOW -- not someone on the left that always brings to mind Ayn Rand's "drooling beast."

And anyone that takes long road trips with P.J. O'Rourke can't be all that bad. ;o)


11 posted on 10/04/2004 3:02:42 AM PDT by Watery Tart (Leftists demonize Wolfowitz because his name begins with a big scary animal and ends Jewishly /Steyn)
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"But can we trust the Bush administration - filled with people like Dick Cheney, who didn't even support the release of Nelson Mandela - to support democracy and the spread of American values now?"

Seems this is "an interview with Hitchens" ... using quotes from the author, Johann Hari.

12 posted on 10/04/2004 3:03:33 AM PDT by G.Mason (A war mongering, UN hating, military industrial complex, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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In today's soundbite world, Hitchens' nuanced support of Bush is a thinker's delight.


BUMP

14 posted on 10/04/2004 3:10:59 AM PDT by tm22721 (In fac they)
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To: kattracks

Tariq "Comical" Ali


16 posted on 10/04/2004 3:23:44 AM PDT by truecons
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Haven't you heard? It's a battle of words the poster bearer cried.

Are there any neocons who are not Jewish conservatives?


17 posted on 10/04/2004 3:29:04 AM PDT by ragnarocker (psalm 68:24)
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The socialist movement enabled universal suffrage, the imposition of limits upon exploitation, and the independence of colonial and subject populations.

Wow! And it's a floor wax and dessert topping, too !!

18 posted on 10/04/2004 3:39:34 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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bump


19 posted on 10/04/2004 3:42:57 AM PDT by Popman (Mozilla Rules, I.E. Drools)
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Tim Russert had a great show a few weeks back with Hitchins and Andrew Sullivan. As much as it pained both of them, they ultimately had to agree with Bush on the Iraq issue.

They realize it's a battle for civilization itself.


20 posted on 10/04/2004 3:50:29 AM PDT by P.O.E. (John Kerry: The" you're rubber and I'm glue" candidate.)
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To: kattracks

Bump for later read.


22 posted on 10/04/2004 4:03:25 AM PDT by Renfield (Philosophy chair at the University of Wallamalloo!!)
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To: kattracks

Bump.


23 posted on 10/04/2004 4:15:40 AM PDT by Rocko ("... for Kerry the new world war is just a wedge issue.")
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The neocon dream of using the american military to liberate and then birth jeffersonian democracy is S-T-U-P-I-D and amazingly naive. It is no accident that a system of freedom, checks and balances, and representative democracy grew out of a hotbed of Calvinistic Puritianism. We have tried to install our governmental models for YEARS in South and Central America, and all we ever get is a couple of charismatic leaders who give a nodding acceptance in passing to some key buzzwords, as the corruption continues. The fact that men share the desire for freedom in their hearts (the religionists call this "made in the image of God") does NOT eradicate the culture of oppression, hatred, fear, and servitude that Islam embodies. The very IDEA that men have "rights" as an individual is hostile to islam. Islam is statist at its core and will always be so. It is the essense of silliness to try and establish a government based on individual exercise of rights in a culture like this.


24 posted on 10/04/2004 4:34:02 AM PDT by chronic_loser (Yeah? so what do I know?)
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To: Clemenza; rmlew
ping


FREEPER (PARodrig) PAUL RODRIGUEZ FOR CONGRESS

25 posted on 10/04/2004 4:44:17 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat)
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Thanks for posting this. I was just thinking about Hitchens. I'd love to see a forum with great thinkers/debaters on the panel. My dream team would be: Steyn, Medved, Prager, Hitchens, Buchanan, Horowitz, Gingrich and a couple of others that I can't think of right now.

I like Hitchens but I wish his brain could be totally free of the leftist fog. It is clouding his mind and holding him back from really great thinking. He says things like this: "Not without what that took - which is an absolutely convincing defeat and discrediting. Something unarguable. I wouldn't exclude any measure either. There's nothing I wouldn't do to stop this form of fascism."

On the other hand he is against the death penalty. Would he be against the death penalty if we caught Osama alive?

"I haven't forgotten the 152 people George Bush executed in Texas."

First of all George Bush didn't execute them--the state of Texas did it. Secondly, the people that were executed were Osamas to the people that they tortured/killed and the families of the murdered that were left behind. It took 9/11 to wake him up--would it take a grisly murder in his family to change his tune on the death penalty? Time to get out of the fog completely Mr. Hitchens.

27 posted on 10/04/2004 5:18:02 AM PDT by beaversmom (Michael Medved has the Greatest radio show on GOD's Green Earth)
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excellent article - it seems Mr. Hitchens has discovered the essence of a Jacksonian within him.


29 posted on 10/04/2004 9:53:52 AM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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Ping!
31 posted on 07/25/2005 9:43:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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