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CNN/GALLUP POLL: Bush Lost Debate; Retains Double Digit Lead Over Kerry on Iraq, Terrorism
USA Today | Sept. 30, 2004 | USA Today/CNN/Gallup

Posted on 09/30/2004 9:32:20 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

Edited on 09/30/2004 9:53:00 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; debates; election; firstdebate; gallup; galluppoll; kerry; poll; polls
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To: West Coast Conservative

Kerry sounded like he read from a script... He is the quintisential politician... will lie right to your face ... blah blah blah... and I'm John Kerry and you should just trust me blah blah blah... He is an empty suit...

George W Bush came off as Human and humble and decisive and REAL... So the question is do you want a president that is a leader and real or do you want a fake empty suit...


41 posted on 09/30/2004 9:44:23 PM PDT by tomnbeverly (Don't let John Kerry put a price on our childrens heads bear any burden pay any cost elect GW.)
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To: Matt32

Precisely. This was Kerry's chance to clobber GW and he failed to connect.


42 posted on 09/30/2004 9:44:24 PM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: jambooti

Probably more frustrated than "flustered". He had to stand there & listen to lie after lie. I hated this forum. Give them a real debate where they actually go one on one.


43 posted on 09/30/2004 9:44:42 PM PDT by lara
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To: Salvation
I wonder if Kerry had the questions before tonight.

Feeling sick to my stomach.

Relax. You've been absorbing too much hype. You'll feel better after a good night's sleep.

44 posted on 09/30/2004 9:44:59 PM PDT by pantseatflyer
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To: Jet Jaguar

I agree, Bush did a better job. At one point Kerry even seemed confused, and I had a hard time following him early on. Bush was clear, concise and stayed on target.


45 posted on 09/30/2004 9:45:19 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: West Coast Conservative
Fact checkers on alphabets and CNN were finding many untruths that Kerry told. If they're doing it, things are not as bleak as we would think. Even goofy Bill Schneider had to repeat to gaggy Aaron Brown that only $125 billion has been spent in Iraq and that it will take 10 years to spend the $200 billion that Kerry keeps whining about. The truth will surface...give it time.
46 posted on 09/30/2004 9:45:25 PM PDT by Use It Or Lose It
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To: rwfromkansas

W needs to stop with the facial movements and the crap he does with his lips...stop right now....


47 posted on 09/30/2004 9:45:25 PM PDT by USMMA_83 (Do onto Muslims as they would most certainly do onto you)
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To: West Coast Conservative

So does this mean that the debates didn't make one iota of difference? Tht's ok, I didn't watch it anyway. My mind was made up a LONG time ago, so it wasn't going to sway me either way.


48 posted on 09/30/2004 9:45:28 PM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004-Because we MUST!!!)
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To: Williams

Still saddens me people think Kerry "won."

LOL Kerry didn't win. What is winning anyway? To say we are wrong to free millions of people? To inadvertently say Sadam should still be in power and the World would be safer? To suggest that North Korea would be better dealing with the US directly? To verbally degrade our efforts in Iraq, if that is Winning then you can have that Winner. I'll stick with Bush he is my Winner!!


49 posted on 09/30/2004 9:45:35 PM PDT by Gimme
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To: DarthVader
The Global Test phrase will come to haunt Kerry.

I agree. That's the sort of comment that needs a day or so to "gel" before it makes an impact on perceptions.

50 posted on 09/30/2004 9:45:47 PM PDT by Exigence
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To: West Coast Conservative
The debate was a draw.

While John Kerry put the President on the defense tonight in debate #1 and while the President lacked a certain fire in the belly in many of his responses, the Senator did not specifically explain what his policy would be with regards to Iraq, if he became POTUS. Also, Kerry didn't adequately explain what his policy is on the overall WoT.

Attacking the President is fine, if you offer legitimate alternatives to his actual policy. In tonights debate, Kerry offered no substantive alternative. Except to say he would work to get the UN, France, Germany and Russia more involved in Iraq. I've got news for ya Senator. The UN, France, Germany and Russia weren't there when America needed them early on and there is no evidence they would get involved at this late date.

51 posted on 09/30/2004 9:46:32 PM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: RayChuang88
"WHAT PLAN? Kerry wasn't exactly specific about what he would do differently in Iraq (besides subjugating US interests to the UN)"

Exactly right! My point is that the ONLY thing he EVER says, about "bringing in our allies and the UN" is a non-starter, because they have all taken bribes from Saddam. Saddam is out of the picture now, but the fact that we were stabbed in the back by our "allies" still hasn't dawned on Kerry. Perhaps he is just too "nuanced".

52 posted on 09/30/2004 9:46:34 PM PDT by Richard Axtell
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To: Time4Atlas2Shrug

the only thing he won on was attacking.

Fromthe live thread, most people were complaining that bush wasn't attacking.

They forget that attacks BY the candidate turn the swing voters off. attacks by proxy (commercials, spokesmen, other politicans) DO work. But having the candidate do attacks is VERY dangerous. Kerry had to take that risk because he's so far behind. Unfortunately for him, he couldn't win even if he succeeded on leveling numerous attacks. Because the voters will see HIM as the attacker.

For those that doubt this, recall lazio / hillary 2000.

The counter attack will be done over the next week by all parts of the RNC machinery. And bush's hands will be clean while the kerry campaign takes the brunt of the blows.

Too many people fret and panic over the little things and forget the big picture.


53 posted on 09/30/2004 9:46:36 PM PDT by flashbunny (John Kerry: The Boston Flailer!)
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To: sinkspur
IT'S STILL OVER!
54 posted on 09/30/2004 9:46:48 PM PDT by Kryptonite
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To: wildcatf4f3

Bush won on substance and character

Hurrah and I'll second that!!!


55 posted on 09/30/2004 9:46:57 PM PDT by Gimme
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To: ambrose
Look at these: CNN / GALLUP POLL ON WHO WON DEBATE

Kerry: 53 Bush: 37

CBS POLL ON WHO WON DEBATE:

Kerry: 44 Bush: 26 Tie: 30

ABC POLL ON WHO WON DEBATE:

Kerry: 45 Bush 36: Tie: 17

So...
CBS 56% did NOT think Kerry won.

ABC 55% did NOT think Kerry won.
56 posted on 09/30/2004 9:47:17 PM PDT by SOSCEO
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To: TNCMAXQ

Maybe Republicans are yet again self-flagellating, because the poll obviously shows that a majority believes that Bush lost, yet Kerry lost ground on the TOPIC of the debate!! Bush obviously won among some undecideds and that Republicans are beating up their candidate as usual. Odd.


57 posted on 09/30/2004 9:47:40 PM PDT by Time4Atlas2Shrug (I have an opinion and a modem.)
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To: sinkspur
That's good. The debate doesn't matter.

I think the overall effect will be:

Kerry will have slightly reduced negatives and possibly slightly higher positives.

Bush's positives and negatives will not change.

Some of what Kerry said tonight will be used in GOP commercials, juxtaposed against prior statements, or put into context.

Nothing that Bush said will make it into DNC commercials.

Overall, I think Kerry was playing to win. Bush was playing to not lose. Kerry is the marginal winner of the debate in the short term. The long term effect is a wash or slight advantage to Kerry.

58 posted on 09/30/2004 9:48:06 PM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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To: Truthsearcher

Post debate spin counts too. We need to remember that some of the mistakes that Kerry made are going to come out and that will seal his doom.(Nuclear fuel to Iran) Bush played it like an incumbent not trying to make a big mistake. It will all work out and I know Karl Rove is licking his chops to get out and finish this campaign in style.


59 posted on 09/30/2004 9:48:17 PM PDT by Moconservative
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas

"Kerry landed alot of punches on the president, but no KO."

Correction: Kerry THREW a lot of punches, not a lot of them landed. Bush played defense. Just like he was doing during summer where many freepers were in panic mode.

Maybe free republic needs to hand out valium during the debates, because some people need it.


60 posted on 09/30/2004 9:48:57 PM PDT by flashbunny (John Kerry: The Boston Flailer!)
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