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John Kerry not awarded Honorable Discharge until March 2001
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Posted on 09/29/2004 9:19:32 PM PDT by TomVan

Kerry's Military Records

This is more than an eye opener. Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore... Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it's because of his phony battle medals. I think the real reason is below. He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended! This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect.

There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable.

My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was doing trouser-tricks in the Oval Office. Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted. His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire.

This will blow up in his face before October 15th.

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On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime).

On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty &ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 &$5).

Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.

Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."

On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland.

Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released?

Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?

On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve - Inactive.

On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.

Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War:

1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy. 2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate. 3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam. 4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA. 5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.

Lt. Kerry by his own words &actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.

The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath . to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

A. L. "Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL SEAL Authentication Team -Director AuthentiSEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service where all investigators are US Navy SEALs" www.authentiseal.org __________________________________________________


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To: Uncle George

I'll bet that two is one or two less than they really have, just in case. Hopefully one of them will be part of the debate tomorrow night. Nothing like dropping a huge bomb on Kerry in front of 70 million plus viewers to change or destroy the campaign of the enemy. Pre-emptive strike in a target rich environment.


41 posted on 09/29/2004 9:48:38 PM PDT by datura (The DNC is America's wannabe politburo.)
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To: TomVan
Well here we go again:

It's possible that he had his original bad paper (assumed) upgraded twice by two different presidents:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1220981/posts?page=309#308

42 posted on 09/29/2004 9:49:03 PM PDT by Eastbound ("Neither a Scrooge nor a Patsy be.")
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To: no dems; TomVan

Yeah..I was wondering the same thing.

What's the deal about OCT. 15?

IS that an October surprise....or is it just the next date that Kerry has to reapply that tan in bottle gunk...


43 posted on 09/29/2004 9:49:06 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud (all)
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To: Uncle George
Carl Rove just announced the RNC has TWO OCTOBER SURPRISES. Is this for real? When and where did he announce this? Could he be trying to "shake" Kerry on the eve of the first debate? More info please.
44 posted on 09/29/2004 9:50:48 PM PDT by no dems (Does the BC/'04 Campaign staff monitor this website? If not, they should.)
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To: TomVan

I suspect based on his many "discharges" that he:

1. Got a less then general discharge originally.

2. Appealed later maybe after the Carter amnesty and got it up graded to general.

3. Appeal again during the Clinton corruption and got it up grade to honorable.


45 posted on 09/29/2004 9:52:02 PM PDT by JLS
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To: igoramus987

Unfortunately I haven't read the book, but I've wondered that all along about his officer reviews. If you're labeled "Unfit for Command" in the Army, you're chances of making even 0-3 are ZERO. I'm sure that the Navy is the same. Hopefully one of those reviews will make some headlines, and be produced in full (and in its' original form to avoid the forgery countercharge).


46 posted on 09/29/2004 9:52:02 PM PDT by datura (The DNC is America's wannabe politburo.)
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To: christie
Is being discharged from the Naval Reserves mean you are discharged from the Navy itself or only that portion of navy that is stated on the discharge paper?
47 posted on 09/29/2004 9:52:25 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: BookaT
"Dont you get an honorable discharge seconds before you re-enlist?"

...not normally, IIRC, if one re-ups at the end of his time in training. For example, I was reserve component for six years with two years IRR. ...re-up'd at the end of the six years training time for another year to try a rear echelon unit. ...went ahead and got out at the end of that year. IIRC, the Honorable came a few weeks or months later. The two years IRR started the day my training time ended (for which the Discharge certificate came afterward). It was a long time ago, though.
48 posted on 09/29/2004 9:58:40 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: ClintonBeGone

Oh come on.....get real!!!


49 posted on 09/29/2004 10:01:47 PM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: no dems

Here ya go.... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1230841/posts


50 posted on 09/29/2004 10:02:10 PM PDT by HomersNose
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To: Iam1ru1-2

I didn't do personnel, but as far as I know, when one receives his discharge certificate, he or she is done with that branch of the service except for IRR time to come after that, if any.

...unless, maybe (not sure), he or she has already re-up'd with another branch? Maybe someone else here will know for sure.


51 posted on 09/29/2004 10:02:36 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: ClintonBeGone
It's very possible that he didn't actually end his time in the IRR (inactive reserves) until 2001. You don't actually get the honorable discharge until you're done with the IRR component of your service.

Or he's discharged for strength adjustments. Or he resigns his commission.

Officers are handled differently than enlisted.
52 posted on 09/29/2004 10:04:26 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko
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To: toupsie
I dunno about this. I would rather the focus on Kerry be his Senate career but the speculation will continue until he signs the 180. I wish he would do this and apologize for his statements in front of the Senate circa 1971. Then we can talk about 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008. The future is what matters most to me. But it is in his court to make this election about the future of America, not his or Bush's past military service in the past


The grave problem is that the HE violated the Constitution, Bush did NOT! Therefore john sKerry should be prosecuted for his act of treason. No stature of limitation here!!
53 posted on 09/29/2004 10:05:56 PM PDT by danamco
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To: TheCrusader
Kerry went in the service when, 1966? You saying that Kerry had about 35 years of military obligation?

What service? You sign a contract every six years and go for a physical when they tell you.

54 posted on 09/29/2004 10:08:54 PM PDT by ClintonBeGone (Take the first step in the war on terror - defeat John Kerry)
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To: familyop
That's correct. My IRR was two years. ...anyone else here have a longer IRR status?

Not only do you usually have your IRR obligation, but you can continue to reelist in the IRR.

55 posted on 09/29/2004 10:10:32 PM PDT by ClintonBeGone (Take the first step in the war on terror - defeat John Kerry)
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To: familyop
That is, there's no IRR for 30 years. LOL! Anyone else here have or know of any IRR lasting longer than two years?

LOLOL Think for a second. You can R-E-E-N-L-I-S-T in the IRR. You serve only when you want to. You can go TDY, do training, whatever you want if they have a spot open for you. You keep your rank, you can even get promoted. You keep your time in service, etc. Please don't be so quick to dismiss facts you haven't a clue exist.

56 posted on 09/29/2004 10:12:45 PM PDT by ClintonBeGone (Take the first step in the war on terror - defeat John Kerry)
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To: Mike Fieschko
Officers are handled differently than enlisted.

Very good point and one that I have not considered.

57 posted on 09/29/2004 10:14:41 PM PDT by ClintonBeGone (Take the first step in the war on terror - defeat John Kerry)
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To: ClintonBeGone
and go for a physical when they tell you

Cheap shot using dimocRat talking point. You made your anti Bush point so move on.

58 posted on 09/29/2004 10:16:14 PM PDT by zip ((Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 42% of americans))
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To: TomVan

INTREP


59 posted on 09/29/2004 10:19:05 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Secularization of America is happening)
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To: ClintonBeGone

There was a thread here a few weeks ago, that active duty navy serving in combat did not have to perform the reserve drills after Vietnam tours.

I have not yet seen any satisfactory documentation or explanation of Kerry's discharge-or which date is accurate. If the date is March 2001 an explanation is really needed, but no one-Rush Fox etc. has ever mentioned this.


60 posted on 09/29/2004 10:20:01 PM PDT by greeneyes
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