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Bush: Militarizing Border Won't Stop Illegal Deluge
Newsmax.com ^ | Monday, Sept. 27, 2004 11:07 p.m. EDT

Posted on 09/27/2004 11:40:43 PM PDT by Robert Lomax

The U.S. has no plans to deploy troops along the Mexican border to stanch the deluge of illegal aliens currently pouring into the country at the rate of 3 million per year, President Bush said in an interview broadcast on Monday.

"As the governor of Texas, I was very aware of this issue," Bush told Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly.

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"There is a long border, that makes it hard to control. We have beefed up places along the border to try to stop" the flow, he said. When told that his policy didn't seem to be working, Bush insisted, "It’s working a little better.

"They're doing a pretty good job down in Arizona, which is the main border crossing. ... I think there's a thousand more border patrol agents along the border. We’re modernizing border techniques, we’re using better surveillance methods to stop this crossing at the border."

The president contended, however, that illegal immigration was driven primarily by the economic realities of the region.

"If you can make 50 cents in the interior of Mexico and five bucks in the interior of the United States, you're coming for the five bucks," he explained.

"I happen to believe the best way to enhance the border is to have temporary-worker cards available for people," he said. "I think the long-term solution for this issue on our border is for Mexico to grow a middle class. That's why I believe in NAFTA."

When warned that "a lot of people are not going to like that answer," Bush told O'Reilly, "Well it’s a, a truthful answer."


TOPICS: Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; bordersecurity; bush; bushamnesty; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; immigration; issues; spottheretread; terrorism
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This is where I disagree with the President, who on this point has his head up his.........
1 posted on 09/27/2004 11:40:43 PM PDT by Robert Lomax
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To: Robert Lomax

Then apply RICO to the employers hiring them, Jorge. Confiscate their property if they're caught. Easier, cheaper and it gets the job done. Dry up the jobs and the taxpayer assistance, and they'll deport themselves.


2 posted on 09/27/2004 11:47:17 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

"I think the long-term solution for this issue on our border is for Mexico to grow a middle class. That's why I believe in NAFTA."

Er, Jorge, Mexico already has a middle class. It's just that none of the Mexican taxpayers will support their poor. They ship them into the US and force us to take care of them.


3 posted on 09/27/2004 11:49:03 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: Robert Lomax
I agree, But John Kerry would be worse than Bush is on the border! Kerry is a total slave to European thinking and Mexico now say that we need to be like Europe and not even, patrol our border! LOL So, Kerry wouldn't even have border patrol! Because in Europe they don't have it!
4 posted on 09/27/2004 11:54:43 PM PDT by FesterUSMC
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To: Robert Lomax

Unbelievable, that in a time of war, a war in which the enemy is trying to infiltrate our country, OUR President, strives and works to keep our borders uncontrolled and unprotected.

You'll get my vote this november Mr. President, but after that, I will be with Tancredo all the way.


5 posted on 09/27/2004 11:56:52 PM PDT by TomasUSMC
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Agree 100% - it's simple market economics. Why not just ENFORCE the laws already on the books, and this problem will be solved. We don't need some new magic law, but if they won't do that then I'd still like to see it made into more of a physical challenge to get over the border.

The Wall

If we build it, they won't come.........

6 posted on 09/27/2004 11:59:47 PM PDT by datura (The DNC is America's wannabe politburo.)
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Mr. President, you swore an oath to the Constitution of the United States. In that constitution it states that you WILL protect the states against invasion. I suggest you sit down and read it, because after the election someone may just make sure a few federal judges and your attornies do.

A number of public entities have been party to what looks as if it might be collusion, to avoid enforcement of precepts of the Constitution, not to mention any number of civil penalties relating to employment practices across this nation. Where contributors might have benefited, this could get real sitcky.

Literally hundreds of federal officials have participated. Literally thousands of local district attornies, local city councils, police departments as well as the FBI have turned their back on this.

Flouting the Constiution of the United States of America, is a violation of someone's oath of office. I wonder who. Both the House and the Senate, the Executive Branch including the Justice Department, the INS, state and local governments have all participated in collusion to avoid adhering to one of the most sacred documents of our nation, shirking responsibility to the American public, in favor of the Government of a foreign nation and it's people.

This opens up so many cans of worms, that I shudder to think where it will end.

By your actions and the actions of others, you are taking money out of my pocket, out of my local, state and federal coffers to play Santa Claus to foreign nationals. You and thousands of others have banded together to desimate our healthcare system, our local schools, our local municipalities, our highway and other types of infrastructure and our standards of living.

I'm curious just how long you thought you could get away with this, without someone calling you on it.


7 posted on 09/28/2004 12:03:13 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: Robert Lomax

Specifically how would you secure the Mexican border?

There is no public mandate now for something violent and extreme, like a wall or land mines. Too many innocent people will be killed or hurt.

Probably the only thing that would create the public mandate is a squad of terrorists coming to the usa via the porous border, and causing a whole lot of damage to the USA. Then people will see it is a national security issue, and not an immigration issue.

Until then, since we can't possibly police thousands of miles of border by using men, and there is no overhwlming public sentiment to blow little mexican families rushing the border to bits, what can we really do but wait it out.

Sad but true.


9 posted on 09/28/2004 12:05:49 AM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: Robert Lomax

I don't understand why a wall, sort of like the iron curtain except taller, can't be constructed to keep them out. There must be some design that is impervious to ladders and such. All you'd need is guard tower every mile or so with either cameras or men with night vision capabilities.


10 posted on 09/28/2004 12:06:31 AM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: Robert Lomax
"If you can make 50 cents in the interior of Mexico and five bucks in the interior of the United States, you're coming for the five bucks," he explained.

Not to mention ten times the welfare benefits.

11 posted on 09/28/2004 12:08:13 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal Creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Confiscate their property? Wouldn't that be a gross violation of their constitutional rights?

Totalitarianism here we come.

12 posted on 09/28/2004 12:11:40 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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[ Bush: Militarizing Border Won't Stop Illegal Deluge ]

Maybe not but fineing toward seizeing the business of anyone employing or renting to an illegal alien knowingly.. WILL...

13 posted on 09/28/2004 12:12:57 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Jim Robinson

This issue is going to blow up in our faces in 2008 when a third party emerges on immigration. Can you say president Hillary ?


14 posted on 09/28/2004 12:14:02 AM PDT by John Lenin
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To: Robert Lomax
"If you can make 50 cents in the interior of Mexico and five bucks in the interior of the United States, you're coming for the five bucks," he explained.

Yes, the old adage holds true. "It's tough being at the top".

Look at the bright side, they aren't coming here to relish in the returns of our 3rd world economy....

NAFTA does have it's good talking points to be sure.

15 posted on 09/28/2004 12:19:04 AM PDT by EGPWS
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To: Robert Lomax

What do prisons do to keep criminals in? A couple of fences, one slightly shorter than the other running parralel spaced around 5 ft apart. Razor wire looped oround both fence tops. BUT.. Go one step further-- Electrically charge the fences.. Like one big bug zapper (space fences slightly closer).


16 posted on 09/28/2004 12:19:11 AM PDT by SealSeven
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To: HitmanNY
Until then, since we can't possibly police thousands of miles of border by using men,

Bull feces. The border is open, because the bosses in DC want it open. It can be closed simply by dropping our meant-to-fail "Keystone Kops" aproach, adn adopting "wartime rules of engagement" to prevent the possible infiltration of terrorists.

As far as morality goes, once the new ROE were clearly promulgated, FEWER Mexicans would die crossing the border than they do now, because they would stop trying to cross. What leads to MORE Mexicans dying in the desert, is holding out the promise of amnesty, drivers' licenses, "guest worker" cards etc.

So if you really want to save their lives, then you will support closing the border.

17 posted on 09/28/2004 12:26:16 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Jim Robinson

The fedgov confiscates property all the time.

Why should businesses which break the law and employ cut-rate illegal alien laborers be exempt?


18 posted on 09/28/2004 12:27:59 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: SealSeven; farmfriend; calcowgirl
RE: "Go one step further-- Electrically charge the fences.. Like one big bug zapper (space fences slightly closer.)"

OH-OH! Can't do that here on the left coast! Might 'harm' the bugs and/or 'threaten' the snakes. ...'sides, by the time you got your 'EIR' done, to get 'permission' to do that, it'd already be 'mexifornia'. (Okay then... If you don't believe me, just ask Cruz Bustamante!)

19 posted on 09/28/2004 12:33:26 AM PDT by Seadog Bytes (OPM* - The Liberal solution to all of society's problems. (*...Other Peoples' Money))
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To: Jim Robinson
Confiscate their property? Wouldn't that be a gross violation of their constitutional rights? Totalitarianism here we come.

We are well on our way with Arnold. That is for sure.

20 posted on 09/28/2004 12:35:54 AM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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