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Is CIA at war with Bush?
Sun Times ^ | 9/27/04 | Robert Novak

Posted on 09/27/2004 2:09:27 PM PDT by AdrianSpidle

Bob Novak show us why the CIA (and the State Department by extrapolation) needs to be cleaned out. The CIA is full of Pacifist types who don't want to make the people who hate us hate us more.

Is CIA at war with Bush?

September 27, 2004

BY ROBERT NOVAK SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

A few hours after George W. Bush dismissed a pessimistic CIA report on Iraq as ''just guessing,'' the analyst who identified himself as its author told a private dinner last week of secret, unheeded warnings years ago about going to war in Iraq. This exchange leads to the unavoidable conclusion that the president of the United States and the Central Intelligence Agency are at war with each other.

Paul R. Pillar, the CIA's national intelligence officer for the Near East and South Asia, sat down Tuesday night in a large West Coast city with a select group of private citizens. He was not talking off the cuff.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush43; cia; novak; paulpillar; paulrpillar; pillar; prewarintelligence
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1 posted on 09/27/2004 2:09:27 PM PDT by AdrianSpidle
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To: AdrianSpidle

Who knows?


2 posted on 09/27/2004 2:11:32 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Dan Rather, "I lied, but I lied about the truth".)
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To: AdrianSpidle

Previous article posted was:

Corrruption at the UN?

and Now this:

Is CIA at war with Bush?

I'm waiting for the next installments: "Is Pope catholic?", "Do bears ... (yadda yadda) " etc.


3 posted on 09/27/2004 2:11:33 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: AdrianSpidle

No worry, Clinton appointee Tenet is gone. Porter Goss is going to clean house.


4 posted on 09/27/2004 2:12:51 PM PDT by advance_copy
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To: AdrianSpidle

They may be now, But Porter is gonna shine the place up a bit.


5 posted on 09/27/2004 2:14:57 PM PDT by Stonedog (Mr. Blather... tear down this STONEWALL!!)
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To: AdrianSpidle

Time for Porter Goss to clean house. DoS could use a good reaming too. It's been full of Communists and fellow travelers since the 1950s.


6 posted on 09/27/2004 2:15:56 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Vietnam veteran against Jean-France Kerry.)
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To: AdrianSpidle
First State, now the CIA. There needs to be some serious housecleaning in the mid- to upper-level bureaucracies.
7 posted on 09/27/2004 2:20:10 PM PDT by atomicpossum (If there are two Americas, John Edwards isn't qualified to lead either of them.©)
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To: AdrianSpidle
The CIA is full of Pacifist types who don't want to make the people who hate us hate us more.

I wouldn’t know. There’s a talk show in San Francisco hosted by a guy named Ronn Owens. One day he had some (ex?) CIA muckety-muck on his show talking about things.

One caller asked him just how you’d go about preparing to get a job at the CIA. The CIA-guy (forgot the name) said it was very important to get a good liberal arts education. A liberal arts education with focus on history, poly-sci, music (? – don’t ask me) and languages – and it’s better if you concentrate on a particular geographical area.

That was pretty much verbatim from what I can recall.

It didn’t make me feel all warm and fuzzy but I have no idea (other than that interview) what they look for in candidates.

10 posted on 09/27/2004 2:30:26 PM PDT by Who dat?
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To: AdrianSpidle

Novak loves stirring up a controversy. There's some reason for his conclusion here, but it's so far out of perspective.

It is the CIA's job to study, analyze and recommend. Most of that comes from wonks. The President's job is to decide. Had Ronald Reagan listened to the CIA's conclusions on the strength of the Soviet economy and armed forces he'd have been but another Jimmy Carter.


11 posted on 09/27/2004 2:36:25 PM PDT by nicollo
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To: AdrianSpidle

The analyst types at the CIA are eurocentric socialists.

In the year prior to 9/11 their biggest accomplishment under Tennant was making a diversity quilt.


13 posted on 09/27/2004 2:38:06 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (What did Kerry know and when did he know it?)
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To: QuodErat

Sometimes, one must destroy the organization completely, then build a new one from the ground up, based on a non bureaucratic operational model.


14 posted on 09/27/2004 2:57:46 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
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To: AdrianSpidle
The Washington Times reported last week that the CIA Counter Terrorism Committee has been spending millions of dollars supporting U.S.left wing organizations. Two big recipients were Dick Clark and Joe Wilson. It was reported by Bill Gertz and haven't heard anything more and no other news organization covered the story.
15 posted on 09/27/2004 3:01:23 PM PDT by subrosa sam (subrosasam)
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To: AdrianSpidle

What's laughable to me is how irrelevant the CIA's opinion is after September 11. It's not just that they missed the event, it's that they missed the size and scope of the enemy and had done little to gear themselves up for the fight. And many of them took false comfort in the belief that Saddam and bid Laden could never work together because of religious differences. On that kind of weak minded thinking they would risk our national security, even as they knew bin Laden was on our side during the Russian invasion of Afghanistan, demonstrating the lengths he would go against a stated enemy.


16 posted on 09/27/2004 3:02:25 PM PDT by Dolphy (Support swiftvets.com)
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To: AdrianSpidle

I think it's more like certain factions within the CIA are at war with Bush. Most of the CIA folks find themselves siding with Bush far more often than with the Kerry-types.


17 posted on 09/27/2004 3:02:52 PM PDT by ableChair
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To: QuodErat

You are right. The parasites have taken over the host.


18 posted on 09/27/2004 3:07:01 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: QuodErat

I spent enough time working at state to understand your pessimism. But have no fear. Nixon was no George W. Bush, and this is not 1972. BC'04 runs like a well-oiled machine (remember, W won his re-election in Texas for Gov. by 69% to 31%). They're nothing like the CREEP.

Remember back when we all got our news from Cronkite and the Washington Post. Today, we laugh at Dan "stand by your story" Rather and get the truth from Drudge/Rush/Insight... and, of course, Free Republic.

Lefties (did you hear Horowitz on Hannity -- they do hate America first!) embedded in Langley and at C and 23rd are paralyzed. Finally, we just might be seeing the real end of our "long national nightmare".


19 posted on 09/27/2004 3:08:55 PM PDT by advance_copy
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To: AdrianSpidle
"This exchange leads to the unavoidable conclusion that the president of the United States and the Central Intelligence Agency are at war with each other."

My feeling is that this conclusion is not exclusive to President Bush, but envelopes the Office of the President of the United States of America.  President Bush is the latest recipient  Too many of our presidents have been the recipients of poor intelligence from the CIA, or at worst, setup to blunder.  Is there something yet lingering in this agency that was established with key personnel linked to organized crime that runs contrary to the well being of our nation?  Are all the presidential missteps based on CIA reports from the last half century mere blunders or well crafted to achieve a purpose?  If it is purposeful, what is the objective?

20 posted on 09/27/2004 3:35:45 PM PDT by backtothestreets
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