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Fox Poll is Out of Synch with Reality?
Fox Poll (Available at RealClearPolitics.com ^
| 09/23/2004
| TribeMike
Posted on 09/23/2004 3:19:19 PM PDT by Tribemike
I don't understand the FOX poll at all. It shows just a 2 point lead for Bush in a two-way race and a 4 point lead in a three-way race.
BUT, it shows just a plurality of men prefer Bush (48%) to Kerry (43%). What men? Girlie men ???? Heck, Bush beat Gore among men by 15 points...you are telling me he only leads against the sissified ticket of Kerry-Edwards by 5 points???
I think Bush is nearly even with women in this poll.
Also, it shows Bush leading among veterens just 50% - 40%...this is even more difficult to believe. I have seen several polls where Bush leads among vets by 20 points.
Anyone else have an opinion on this?
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posted on
09/23/2004 3:19:19 PM PDT
by
Tribemike
To: Tribemike
Yes, very hard to believe. 50% to 40% w/ vets?! No way.
2
posted on
09/23/2004 3:21:06 PM PDT
by
adaven
(John Kerry changes positions more often than a Nevada prostitute!)
To: Tribemike
http://mysterypollster.typepad.com/
That site has a lot of useful insights.
Basically, you need to look at bunch of polls, and understand the margin of error as well as Political ID analysis.
Moreover, it is the battleground polls that matter, not nationwide polls.
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posted on
09/23/2004 3:21:26 PM PDT
by
Cableguy
To: Tribemike

Another thread was just posted with Fox News internals. Roughly, they sample Democrats at ~41%, Republicans at ~35%. My own preference would be to see those roughly equal.
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posted on
09/23/2004 3:23:59 PM PDT
by
atomicpossum
(If there are two Americas, John Edwards isn't qualified to lead either of them.©)
To: Tribemike
If a Fox poll showed a large Bush lead like some of the other polls, the pundits would write it off as being a pro-Bush poll from a right-wing network.
In reality, this Fox poll may be good for the President in that it reiterates the need to continue campaigning hard all the way through the election. Right now, complacency may be our worst enemy.
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posted on
09/23/2004 3:24:16 PM PDT
by
bobjam
To: thchronic
I have learned a lot about polls this political season. Who has paid for a poll, who they are polling, when, the way the questions are asked, it all makes a huge difference.
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posted on
09/23/2004 3:24:31 PM PDT
by
IrishGOP
(When things get tough it's no time to give up and run away.)
To: thchronic
I absolutely agree..FOX split 50/40 vets Bush/Kerry is NOT believable.
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posted on
09/23/2004 3:26:43 PM PDT
by
roylene
To: Tribemike
In all honesty, I think FOX is trying to play it safe so that IF the race does come down to the wire their polls will be revered and be highly creditable in the future! That's how Zogby made his fortune in 00(thanks to Rush who gave him wide exposure on his radio show when Zogby was a nobody)!
To: Tribemike
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posted on
09/23/2004 3:28:27 PM PDT
by
TomEwall
To: TomEwall
They are oversampling Democrats because supposedly Democrats outvoted Republicans 39-35% in the 2000 election. That was pre-9/11 and I think Republicans are more energized now...
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posted on
09/23/2004 3:30:22 PM PDT
by
Tribemike
(Here is the text of the article....)
To: atomicpossum
Another thread was just posted with Fox News internals. Roughly, they sample Democrats at ~41%, Republicans at ~35%. My own preference would be to see those roughly equal.Does anyone know if Opinion Dynamics weights for party affiliation? I suspect that they do, but I don't know for a fact that they do.
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posted on
09/23/2004 3:31:46 PM PDT
by
kesg
To: Tribemike
Anyone else have an opinion on this? Those are the people who answered the phone. I tend to give the benefit of the doubt to Gallup at this stage of the race, based on their long track record.
To: bobjam
"If a Fox poll showed a large Bush lead like some of the other polls, the pundits would write it off as being a pro-Bush poll from a right-wing network.
In reality, this Fox poll may be good for the President in that it reiterates the need to continue campaigning hard all the way through the election. Right now, complacency may be our worst enemy"
Totally concur. These organizations have internals, which I think are more accurate than what we are seeing from the "INDEPENDANTS" I really think if the election was today Bush would win 52% - 45%, Ralphie 3%
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posted on
09/23/2004 3:37:37 PM PDT
by
DAC21
To: Tribemike
I believe the popular vote will be close. The electoral vote, however, is going to be strong Bush.
To: Tribemike
Simple Question: Which candidate's supporters are more likely to lie about being veterans? President Bush's or Senator Kerry's? That answer alone should give insight into the skewed veterans data.
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posted on
09/23/2004 4:07:00 PM PDT
by
dmc8576
(High School Students for Bush - 325 members ....Students for Kerry - 20 members. ENOUGH SAID!!!)
To: Tribemike
Here's the key to all polls:
People (the responders) say the thing that comes to their minds. People lie. People say things to please the questioner. People say things to displease the questioner. Get it?
(The cat has a bit of personal experience with the subject, but no time today to relate it.)
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posted on
09/23/2004 4:10:40 PM PDT
by
Revolting cat!
("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
To: Tribemike
I think the wild variations coming from different polling organizations may mean they are trying to test new methodologies this year to take into account new technologies and different party affiliation mixes.
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posted on
09/23/2004 4:15:23 PM PDT
by
Texasforever
(Mainstream Media Has Been Outsourced.)
To: Tribemike
Weren't there multitudes that switched party affiliations after Gore and his army of lawyers spent 1-2 months in Florida in 2000 in the recount fiasco?
To: Tribemike
I have the opinion we shouldn't even care about polls!
The only one that counts is Nov 2.
The others are just wishful thinking. Not enough people involved to make a true statement.
Just ignore them.
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posted on
09/23/2004 4:28:10 PM PDT
by
LadyPilgrim
(Sealed my pardon with His blood, Hallelujah!!! What a Savior!!!)
To: Tribemike
Fox Poll is Out of Synch with Reality? It just might be. A CBS poll has him up by 8. LOL
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