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Fox Poll is Out of Synch with Reality?
Fox Poll (Available at RealClearPolitics.com ^ | 09/23/2004 | TribeMike

Posted on 09/23/2004 3:19:19 PM PDT by Tribemike

I don't understand the FOX poll at all. It shows just a 2 point lead for Bush in a two-way race and a 4 point lead in a three-way race.

BUT, it shows just a plurality of men prefer Bush (48%) to Kerry (43%). What men? Girlie men ???? Heck, Bush beat Gore among men by 15 points...you are telling me he only leads against the sissified ticket of Kerry-Edwards by 5 points???

I think Bush is nearly even with women in this poll.

Also, it shows Bush leading among veterens just 50% - 40%...this is even more difficult to believe. I have seen several polls where Bush leads among vets by 20 points.

Anyone else have an opinion on this?


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1 posted on 09/23/2004 3:19:19 PM PDT by Tribemike
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To: Tribemike

Yes, very hard to believe. 50% to 40% w/ vets?! No way.


2 posted on 09/23/2004 3:21:06 PM PDT by adaven (John Kerry changes positions more often than a Nevada prostitute!)
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To: Tribemike

http://mysterypollster.typepad.com/

That site has a lot of useful insights.

Basically, you need to look at bunch of polls, and understand the margin of error as well as Political ID analysis.

Moreover, it is the battleground polls that matter, not nationwide polls.


3 posted on 09/23/2004 3:21:26 PM PDT by Cableguy
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To: Tribemike
Another thread was just posted with Fox News internals. Roughly, they sample Democrats at ~41%, Republicans at ~35%. My own preference would be to see those roughly equal.
4 posted on 09/23/2004 3:23:59 PM PDT by atomicpossum (If there are two Americas, John Edwards isn't qualified to lead either of them.©)
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To: Tribemike

If a Fox poll showed a large Bush lead like some of the other polls, the pundits would write it off as being a pro-Bush poll from a right-wing network.

In reality, this Fox poll may be good for the President in that it reiterates the need to continue campaigning hard all the way through the election. Right now, complacency may be our worst enemy.


5 posted on 09/23/2004 3:24:16 PM PDT by bobjam
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To: thchronic
I have learned a lot about polls this political season. Who has paid for a poll, who they are polling, when, the way the questions are asked, it all makes a huge difference.
6 posted on 09/23/2004 3:24:31 PM PDT by IrishGOP (When things get tough it's no time to give up and run away.)
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To: thchronic
I absolutely agree..FOX split 50/40 vets Bush/Kerry is NOT believable.
7 posted on 09/23/2004 3:26:43 PM PDT by roylene
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To: Tribemike

In all honesty, I think FOX is trying to play it safe so that IF the race does come down to the wire their polls will be revered and be highly creditable in the future! That's how Zogby made his fortune in 00(thanks to Rush who gave him wide exposure on his radio show when Zogby was a nobody)!


8 posted on 09/23/2004 3:26:56 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: Tribemike

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1225140/posts talks about this.

They're oversampling Democrats for some reason.


9 posted on 09/23/2004 3:28:27 PM PDT by TomEwall
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They are oversampling Democrats because supposedly Democrats outvoted Republicans 39-35% in the 2000 election. That was pre-9/11 and I think Republicans are more energized now...


10 posted on 09/23/2004 3:30:22 PM PDT by Tribemike (Here is the text of the article....)
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To: atomicpossum
Another thread was just posted with Fox News internals. Roughly, they sample Democrats at ~41%, Republicans at ~35%. My own preference would be to see those roughly equal.

Does anyone know if Opinion Dynamics weights for party affiliation? I suspect that they do, but I don't know for a fact that they do.

11 posted on 09/23/2004 3:31:46 PM PDT by kesg
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To: Tribemike
Anyone else have an opinion on this?

Those are the people who answered the phone. I tend to give the benefit of the doubt to Gallup at this stage of the race, based on their long track record.

12 posted on 09/23/2004 3:36:33 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: bobjam
"If a Fox poll showed a large Bush lead like some of the other polls, the pundits would write it off as being a pro-Bush poll from a right-wing network.

In reality, this Fox poll may be good for the President in that it reiterates the need to continue campaigning hard all the way through the election. Right now, complacency may be our worst enemy"


Totally concur. These organizations have internals, which I think are more accurate than what we are seeing from the "INDEPENDANTS" I really think if the election was today Bush would win 52% - 45%, Ralphie 3%
13 posted on 09/23/2004 3:37:37 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: Tribemike

I believe the popular vote will be close. The electoral vote, however, is going to be strong Bush.


14 posted on 09/23/2004 4:00:31 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: Tribemike

Simple Question: Which candidate's supporters are more likely to lie about being veterans? President Bush's or Senator Kerry's? That answer alone should give insight into the skewed veterans data.


15 posted on 09/23/2004 4:07:00 PM PDT by dmc8576 (High School Students for Bush - 325 members ....Students for Kerry - 20 members. ENOUGH SAID!!!)
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To: Tribemike
Here's the key to all polls:

People (the responders) say the thing that comes to their minds. People lie. People say things to please the questioner. People say things to displease the questioner. Get it?

(The cat has a bit of personal experience with the subject, but no time today to relate it.)

16 posted on 09/23/2004 4:10:40 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Tribemike
I think the wild variations coming from different polling organizations may mean they are trying to test new methodologies this year to take into account new technologies and different party affiliation mixes.
17 posted on 09/23/2004 4:15:23 PM PDT by Texasforever (Mainstream Media Has Been Outsourced.)
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To: Tribemike
Weren't there multitudes that switched party affiliations after Gore and his army of lawyers spent 1-2 months in Florida in 2000 in the recount fiasco?
18 posted on 09/23/2004 4:25:33 PM PDT by cons_Mark
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To: Tribemike

I have the opinion we shouldn't even care about polls!
The only one that counts is Nov 2.

The others are just wishful thinking. Not enough people involved to make a true statement.
Just ignore them.


19 posted on 09/23/2004 4:28:10 PM PDT by LadyPilgrim (Sealed my pardon with His blood, Hallelujah!!! What a Savior!!!)
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To: Tribemike
Fox Poll is Out of Synch with Reality?

It just might be. A CBS poll has him up by 8. LOL

20 posted on 09/23/2004 4:30:31 PM PDT by freeperfromnj
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